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Decluttering negative people - any tips or tricks?

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  • Started 1 year ago by RJ
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  1. RJ
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    I thought I had gotten rid of this one woman a couple of years ago, even though she'd email and text me to try to get back in contact, every few months and I'd not reply. It's been six months since she last tried, so I thought I was finally rid of her. Now she's trying to get in touch again, so it made me think about the negative people in our lives.

    Do you guys have tips or tricks in getting rid of people like that, who keep trying to get in touch? I hate confrontation, or hurting peoples' feelings, but it's getting to the point where I am about to tell her off, as gentle hints don't work with this woman.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. lottielot
    Member

    I have decluttered 2 people from my life in the last 10 years or so. One was my ex-best friend who for various reasons I no longer wished to be friends with. She came over to the UK and rang me up, clearly expecting to meet up. So I had a little chat and told her I wouldn't be meeting up with her. Then I very gently wished her luck and said it had been nice knowing her (well, bits of it were). She got the message and haven't heard from her since. Although there was a school reunion a while back and she asked a mutual friend for my contact details, luckily she said no!
    The second was decluttered accidentally, I changed my mobile and lost all the numbers in the old one. Since she has no landline, I couldn't contact her. After 6 months or so, I realised I was relieved: she's very depressing to be round and her kid is awful. Although she's a nice person, seeing her was draining. However, I run the risk of bumping into her any day, as we live in the same town.
    I don't know, it's not the easiest thing to do, is it?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. themusiclivez
    Member

    I have done this with a couple of friends lately. I responded that I wouldn't be going to one of their weddings. I think she took the hint after that. Some of the friends I had were extremely two-faced and I didn't want that type of person in my life. The friends continued to talk behind each other's backs and I had had enough. I tried so hard to just fade this friendship out but they wouldn't take the hint. Saying no to the wedding did the trick. I found out afterwards, from a friend, that they were badmouthing me on Facebook because of it. Mature, right? It just confirmed that I made the right choice by cutting them out of my life.

    If you don't want to come right out and tell the person that you don't want them in your life I just recommend this: Be "busy" every time they ask you to do something. If they don't take the hint then, stop returning phone calls, emails, and texts. Hopefully they will get the hint then!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. SunshineR
    Member

    great advice, everyone...my question is, what do you do when the negativity comes from some of your DBF's relatives...they live in the same town as us...and no, moving away is not an option...I could wish for that for the next 20 years. I have tried distancing myself and being busy, and it only makes them more upset. Asking them what they like or need hasn't worked either. I am an independent type of person. Sometimes I think they don't want to be happy and nothing I do will ever please them.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. trillie
    Member

    I've also decluttered people, both on purpose and not on purpose. In high-school, I cut off ties with a circle of friends who were badmouthing me behind my back, though I regret simply not talking to them anymore -- I should have told them why I wasn't. And within the last years, I decluttered two more people -- with both, there was a situation that I was initially to mad and/or insulted about to be able to handle it like I should have (read: as I would now), and when I wanted to save the friendship, they didn't want to. Turns out I haven't missed them one bit, so it was a good life lesson for me :o)

    To answer your question, RJ: I guess it depends on how annoying this woman is for you. It depends on whether you think she deserves to know the reason for you trying to get away from this contact. If you think she does, just tell her matter-of-factly. So for example, if she's an egoist and never listens to you, just tell her that with her need to talk about herself, there seems to be no room for you in the friendship, and that there seem to be different views of what a friendship should be in her eyes and your eyes, and thus you don't think you want to continue it. If, however, you think she's a perfectly good person, you don't want to hurt her feelings, but you two are just not that compatible, keep coming up with excuses for not meeting her. She'll eventually get the hint (I hope!).

    Though now I wonder: If it was me, what would I like to have done to myself? Being told right-away and getting hurt immediately, or being repeatedly rejected and getting hurt in the long run when I realize what this is about? I don't know. I guess it would depend on the person who tries to cut off the friendship and how he/she does it. What do you guys think?

    Do you know these threads yet?
    * Cluttery-Guests :(, inspiring in respect to finally setting boundaries with someone -- have you seen this thread, SunshineR?
    * Uncluttering bad/toxic friends is on how to end a friendship. Oh, I'm glad they finally got it, themusiclivez! :o)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. themusiclivez
    Member

    trillie - As you can see, I started that thread that you linked in your post and it took awhile after that to finally unclutter them! They were the types of people who, no matter how hard you tried to explain your point of view, they weren't going to listen. After the first time around I gave up and didn't even tell them why I don't want them in my life anymore. Some people will just never listen.

    SunshineR - I also know where you're coming from. When I got engaged 4 years ago I learned all about this type of situation. I had never before in my life been so badly treated by people who I was supposed to consider family. I was trash talked all over the east coast by my soon-to-be mother in law because everything I was doing with regard to my wedding was "wrong". I couldn't believe that family could be so malicious. (I come from a very loving family who has always supported me and told me things to my face, not behind my back). It was shocking. I still deal with the excessive gossiping by not telling my in-laws anything about my life except what I can't avoid. I also spend less time around them and the other family members on my husband's side that get involved in the gossiping. Since I can't avoid them completely, this is the best I can do. It doesn't matter though - I was badmouthed when I was being nice to them so I don't feel they are going to change - ever - and have therefore given up on giving them anymore chances. That, and the trust is gone. I can't trust people like that.

    To get away from this horrible treatment my sister in law ended up divorcing my husband's brother. He never stood up for her against his family and she couldn't take another minute more of it. At least my husband is on my side or I don't know what I would do!

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  7. RJ
    Member

    Thank you everyone, it was great to hear about your experiences. I really appreciate it.

    @ Trillie, thank you for the two links. You hit the nail on the head. She is an egoist that I've been trying to declutter for the last 3 years. I've gently told her so many times in the last three years, then got very direct (and nearly mean) the last year, but I'm getting frustrated enough to get mean with her at this point. She is calling my cell phone and I can not change the number due to it being my work number, and I don't want to have to justify that number to my work's accountant. :-( I am fortunate that I am on the West Coast and she is on the East Coast.

    @ musiclivez, you are right, there are some people who never listen.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. jsights
    Member

    RJ, would simply asking her, "Please do not call or try to contact me in any way" possibly work? It's pretty darn direct, but it sounds like that may be what she needs. If that doesn't work and she still keeps calling, I suppose you could go as extreme as threatening to file a harassment suit. Good luck!

    Jen

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. lottielot
    Member

    Themusiclivez, I've recently had a big row with my MIL, we've never had the easiest relationship but she recently went completely loopy and told me I was a bad mother and various other horrible things which are reasonably unforgivable. I could handle tacit disapproval but telling me what she thought to my face is pretty unacceptable. My dh has firmly put her in her place, but I just don't want to see her for 6 months at least until the memory fades a bit. I'd cheerfully never see her again (and my dh) but the kids love her so we have a difficult situation ahead... She's not a big part of their lives but they still enjoy seeing her, it's just she cannot be trusted to behave herself, and my ds1 in particular is very sensitive, emotional turmoil like that upsets him for weeks afterwards. Personally I think she should have therapy, but how do you say that to a 70 year old? I would soooo love to declutter my MIL, unfortunately not as easy as decluttering friends and acquaintances :(

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. chacha1
    Member

    Avoidance is my best policy. My mom from time to time tries to draw me into very ill-informed political discussions (she apparently gets all her news from e-mail forwards). I either don't reply at all or send her (with little comment) factual information correcting her misconceptions.

    My in-laws and their extended family are not negative per se, but gossipy and indiscreet. DH and I don't tell them anything, basically, because we have no faith they'll keep it to themselves and we don't feel like the entire thousand-member family community needs to know.

    I have "uncluttered" one person who was a good friend a long time ago, then a distant friend, then for a brief time close again, and then went completely haywire on me. I don't have a lot of patience with inconsistency when the downswing involves meanness. If someone extends an olive branch, I won't set it on fire, but I won't grab onto it until I'm sure it's not going to turn into a wreath of thorns!

    Life is too short to waste time/energy on toxic people. I'll give anyone two or three chances to behave decently. Then I'll blow them off and not feel the least bit guilty about it.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. lucy1965
    Member

    I have had to do this within the last three months, but I had very public reasons for doing so and it was surprisingly easy after the initial shock and pain wore off; it did mean moving my journaling off of a particular service -- as one of the owners was involved -- and I do miss the friendship, but it was obvious in retrospect that I'd been doing the heavy lifting to keep it going.

    In keeping with the themes of this forum, my longest-running friendship was ended by her hoarding: when her landlord finally said enough (and we're talking class 4 hoarding coupled with a year of incomplete rent payments), I told her that while I couldn't let her move in with me -- my ex was still making threatening noises about custody, and that level of stress I did not need -- I would be happy to help her find a new place, come up with the cash for the deposit and move, AND work through getting started on signing up for disability and food stamps.

    She cut off contact for several months; when she finally wrote again, it was such a passive-aggressive letter that I told her to go back to ignoring me, and blocked her e-mails and phone calls. RJ, is blocking her number an option for you?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. pkilmain
    Member

    Arghhh. Uncluttering relatives is hard. My DH's sister is - still at age 71 - one of those people who will tease/dig at you for anything you've told her about yourself like things you don't like, or have an irrational fear about. Plus she acts in general as though she's still in high school. Sigh. I've pretty much stopped telling her anything personal, and only speak with her on the phone when absolutely necessary. WOuldn't at all if we had called ID! LOL (Actually we do have, just not a phone that works one. We will as soon as our portable dies, which it's in the process of doing.) MY MIL was another negative person, but not as unpredictable as her daughter. Living several thousand miles away from family does help.

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  13. themusiclivez
    Member

    pkilmain - Caller ID is one of the best inventions ever created. I am so anti-phone so it is perfect for me. I can't believe, that at 71, she is still acting like that!

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. trillie
    Member

    @themusiclivez, yes, I was surprised when I saw that you opened that thread 7 months ago! I guess it takes time for some people to get it. But at least now RJ has a rough estimate on how long it'll take ;o)

    To everone having problems with their families/in-laws: Sigh. I have yet to hear from someone who doesn't have a part of the family they're squabbling with. Most of the time, it seems like when there is inheritance/money/gossip/stubbornness involved, you just have to count backwards from 10 and there is a fight. I guess that's why there is that saying "You can't pick your family, but at least you can pick your friends" :o)

    @lottielot, I hope you can clench your teeth and smile through this one for your kids, if that is possible. When it was clear that a part of my family would become hopelessly divided, my little cousin suffered because she didn't understand why she didn't get reply letters from her grandmother anymore. I was old enough to understand the entire reason and argument, but she simply wasn't. Eventually though, your kids will make up their minds about their grandmother (and everyone else!) themselves :o)

    @pkilmain, what about using an answering machine as "screening" until you get a phone that shows the caller ID? :o)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  15. margaret
    Member

    re trillie "it seems like when there is inheritance/money/gossip/stubbornness involved, you just have to count backwards from 10 and there is a fight"

    My mom is always very business like about financial affairs and such. Strongly advocates having a will and all that. Someone will always say, "we would never fight about that", and her reply is always on the lines of, "YOU might not fight about that, but what if someone marries somebody who will?". Because after all, either the spouse can push someone to fight OR someone can die and the spouse might inherit their share and go after every red cent they can. I have an inlaw situation that makes me crazy -- not because anyone is bad, but because the careless way things were set up could lead to massive and expensive family fights. In particular, one sibing who was receiving an annuity from a lawsuit with a very large payout at the end of the annuity term died. Instead of leaving the money in trust to his children, he left it free and clear to his sister having asked if she would take care of the kids. As far as I know the sister has not set up a will or any kind of trust or anything. If something happened to her, then it would go to her husband and her own kids. The husband seems like a nice guy, but he has had a couple of dealings with my husband that have not put him in a good light (e.g. my husband gave him a set of truck tires. BIL never used them. A year later, husband needed them back and had to PAY $400 FOR THEM. Another time, he bought something from BIL for a fairly cheap price. A year later, BIL wanted it back and insisted that my husband return it for the original price, which I would have thought was fair except for it didn't work that way the last time). I just see SO MANY potential problems in this. And that's leaving out a lot of complicating details that could make it worse.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. camellia tree
    Member

    I have a few narcissists in my life that I have been trying to declutter forever, one of which is my mother. She only calls me when she needs something, which is very hard. I had just quit going to family functions, etc., which was working quite nicely. Then my sister, who is 16, got pregnant. What a nightmare. They had the baby shower last Sunday and there was a lot of, "but she's your sister!" when I talked to other family members about not going to the shower. So I went, I stayed 2 hours, and then I left. BTW, these are people who have no time for me, unless they need something, of course. It's all very hard...I don't want to cut ties completely, mainly because I don't want it to be awkward at the family functions I do attend, but I really need these people to be out of my life. I'm so much happier when I don't see them. A good friend had actually encouraged me not to go to the baby shower in order to send a message to them, but I just wasn't able to do it.

    So, any tips for dealing with narcissists that you're stuck with for whatever reason?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. bandicoot
    Member

    camellia tree, i guess all you can do is minimise contact as much as possible.
    and stop handing out whatever it is they are seeking from you.
    i know it is all easier said than done.

    as for wills and legal stuff in general.
    we have finally organised our own affairs this week.
    i see it as a mark of respect for each other that we have done so.
    there will be no legal wrangling if anyone is chopped down in an untimely manner.
    things will be very simple and clear and cut and dried.
    (to get to that place, it has taken a lot of setting up of trusts and god knows what all....the structure looks madly cluttered, but the outcomes are beautifully simple and everybody is protected along the way).
    when you are grieving your spouse, i think it is the absolute last time that you should be hassled with legal stuff.

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  18. charmed2482
    Member

    I guess I am lucky in that I get along with my BF's family really well. He has complaints about them like anyone else, but I get along with them just fine so far. A good friend of mine has nighmare inlaws though. At one point she wrote them letters(which were pretty meanish) and told them exactly what she thought of them. I don't think she speaks to her MIL much anymore. I think the one BIL got over it, and she still talks to him at family functions.

    I have almost gotten rid of several friends before but we always work it out later and its fine for a long time. But I generally just get sick of their crap and let them know(in writing usually) exactly how I feel, then I am done with it.

    if someone won't listen when you tell them you don't want to be friends, ignoring is the next step and after that, I would involve the law if they won't leave you alone.

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  19. irishbell
    Member

    The only thing I can say is just to distance yourself as much as possible, do not answer emails, phone calls- if you do get caught on the phone say- gosh i'm in the middle of something can I get back to you- and then don't get back to them.
    At some point, with in-laws -you may have to speak up for yourself, if your SO won't do it. But You can do it calmly, honestly and with class, as long as you don't stoop to their level. Then, if it still continues you have to decide if keeping them in your life, just for your SO's sake is worth it to your well being. Sometimes a clean cut is the best and most positve solution.

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  20. pkilmain
    Member

    My husband tells friends all the time that there's a reason we moved 5,000 miles from our families! :) Honestly, my 70 (at the time) year old SIL wanted us to fly from Alaska to the east coast for their 50th anniversary brunch. Never mind that a ticket is in the neighborhood of $800, and it's a 12+ hour trip each way.... And did anyone from either family come here for our wedding?? My mother came once for Christmas, and of our 3 siblings two have come to visit exactly once. DH's brother has been at least 6 or 8 times. (My mother and in-laws came more often, but they've all died now) And, mind you, we have lived here since 1973, and usually go to the east coast once a year, minimum. More when the folks were too old to travel. And then once we get there, they expect us to do the drives between their homes... Grrrr.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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