Comments on: Toronto architects utilizes under stair storage

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By: K

Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:45:30 +0000

A hinge on each stair tread wouldn’t help the hopelessly clumsy like me — I can just imagine what would happen when my toe catches the end of a tread as I’m going up the stairs…

By: Springpeeper

Springpeeper — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:33:18 +0000

While these are lovely, I think that if you wanted to build storage space into your stairs it would be cheaper and safer to simply put a hinge on each stair tread and have each open up like the lid on a chest. Gravity would keep them closed when not in use.

It’s also not enough to just make storage space wherever you can… you must decide beforehand exactly what you intend to place in that nifty storage spot, and it has to be something appropriate to that part of the house, otherwise it will just fill up with junk! So what would be appropriate/useful to store in stairs?

By: Tiimbo

Tiimbo — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:24:31 +0000

“Of course, in Japan, people realize that they should be careful and meticulous when it comes to putting things away.”

It may be hard to believe, but even a Japanese person can forget to close a drawer. These storage steps are a spectacuarly bad idea.

I’m a Dwell subscriber, and every issue I’m amazed by design elements that look great but are just dangerous.

By: timgray

timgray — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:08:08 +0000

nothing new. My grandmothers home had this and it was built over 100 years ago. I love it when the new crop of Architects think they are being clever when what they think up has been done nearly a century ago by a clever cabinetmaker.

By: lisa

lisa — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:32:03 +0000

the 1st thing I thought after “that’s pretty nifty” was what a hassle those could be to keep clean. much easier to sweep plain steps than having to vacuum to get all dirt from the tracks. side access stair storage? I really like that idea!

By: Brandon

Brandon — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:56:05 +0000

Interesting! I bet creative storage will become more attractive as people realize that their McMansions are not sustainable.

By: Lose That Girl

Lose That Girl — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:00:17 +0000

Show offs! Seriously, it’s a neat idea but not the most practical for a busy household with kids or pets. I like the storage stairs that I’ve seen that have access via the sides as pointed out by a previous poster.

By: Julia

Julia — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:51:37 +0000

These are great! I’ve been thinking about finishing my yet to be completed (goin’ on 4 years now!) stairs which go from my 500s.f. workshop to my 500s.f. living space- I need all the storage I can get!
I’ve also been researching an alternative, small footprint set of stair to get to my sleeping loft and stummbled (ha!) upon this awesome blog stairporn.org- you should check it out.

By: Louise

Louise — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:46:54 +0000

My objection to under stair drawers is the dirt factor. The fine grit and dust on everyone’s floors would work its way into the drawers no matter how tightly they sealed. Stairs flex a bit, too, as you walk on them. That action would serve to vibrate even more dirt inside.

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:12:42 +0000

I have to agree: too dangerous

By: Sunny Paris

Sunny Paris — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:01:57 +0000

And.. .while I thought it was very pretty and well lit, I don’t know why in that large of space, he was so against having a separate bedroom for the kids. If they lived in a 600 square foot loft, I could see the solution as is. But, I agree, in that amount of space, a little less open space, and a little more privacy doesn’t seem out of line.

By: Sunny Paris

Sunny Paris — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:58:26 +0000

In many houses, the under-stairs area is the ceiling of the stairs to the basement. Or, as Karyn points out, the under-stair area is already useful- because it can be accessed from the side, either in closet or drawer form. Either way seems to make more sense than this. I wouldn’t have a problem tripping (I don’t think) because I do close drawers, but I would find it weird to kneel on say, step 3, to open step 4.

By: Cole

Cole — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:19:34 +0000

Wow, really? We’re so clumsy as a people that we can’t be adult enough to shut drawers?

This is a clear influence of Japanese design (in one of my favorite books, “Small Spaces” by Azby Brown). Of course, in Japan, people realize that they should be careful and meticulous when it comes to putting things away. Guess for some of us “bull in a china shop” Americans, we just can’t handle it. I’d rather have stair drawers to put things in than leave stuff in the path of my 10 month old daughter in the floor.

By: Lori Paximadis

Lori Paximadis — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:55:02 +0000

@Karyn: “Coordinationally Challenged” — I resemble that remark!

It doesn’t look like they’re suffering for storage in that place. In 600 square feet, maybe this would make more sense, but in 2,200? Not so much.

I’m also curious about the structural integrity of the steps. Plank steps without risers are usually much thicker than these appear to be, and with the drawers there, you don’t get any support from a riser. I know the people are architects, but in my house hunting I’ve seen a *lot* of stupid things done by architects because it looks cool but isn’t necessarily functional.

By: cagey

cagey — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:26:56 +0000

Heh. This made me laugh out loud. My great-grandparents’ house had “under the steps” storage because my great-grandfather was a bootlegger during Prohibition and that is where he stored some of his “product”.

By: sharon

sharon — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:41:56 +0000

I think it’s pretty cool. Asian cultures are used to living with more wood and more confined spaces. I love the natural light coming through all the shoji.

By: Marie

Marie — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:33:51 +0000

These people are architects and designers, I’m sure they thought of the challenges and dangers involved. The stair drawers probably close by themselves, the way a door can be set to automatically shut. Too bad my stairs are carpeted, because that looks like a huge amount of storage.

The slide show was very cool, but I was overwhelmed at the amount of wood in the house. I’d love to have hardwood floors, don’t get me wrong, but wood walls and ceilings too?

By: Karyn

Karyn — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:21:09 +0000

I like the idea of utilizing the space under the stairs, but I have to agree that drawers opening from the front of each step seems potentially hazardous–and not only to children, but to anyone who is among the Coordinationally Challenged or maybe just wandering downstairs half-asleep in the middle of the night and doesn’t notice the drawer that didn’t quite get shut all the way. I’m surprised this passed the housing code, given how picky those can be!

On the positive side, I have seen solutions that involved drawers, cabinets, closets, and cubbies which were accessed from the side of the staircase, standing on the lower floor. If I ever have a home with multiple levels, I’d probably build in something like that.

By: Tiimbo

Tiimbo — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:47:06 +0000

Have to agree with previous posters. This is a classic case of clever design and obsession with saving space overtaking common sense.

Whether you’ve got kids or not, these steps are a terrible idea.