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		<title>By: Rae</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-52372</link>
		<dc:creator>Rae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a full-timer RVer. My first year on the road I rented a box at a UPS store in the city I was leaving. Once or twice a month during the year I would email the guys who ran the store and have them check my box for me, then instruct them to forward or destroy things. If I needed things in a hurry, they would scan or fax them to me. 

The box cost me about $150 to rent for 15 months and I only had to pay the actual postage on the mail they sent me; I was never charged for any other services.

I have a different arrangement this year because my traveling style has changed, but my experience with the UPS store mail management style was positive and I would explore it again in the future if I needed to. It really suited the realities of my lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a full-timer RVer. My first year on the road I rented a box at a UPS store in the city I was leaving. Once or twice a month during the year I would email the guys who ran the store and have them check my box for me, then instruct them to forward or destroy things. If I needed things in a hurry, they would scan or fax them to me. </p>
<p>The box cost me about $150 to rent for 15 months and I only had to pay the actual postage on the mail they sent me; I was never charged for any other services.</p>
<p>I have a different arrangement this year because my traveling style has changed, but my experience with the UPS store mail management style was positive and I would explore it again in the future if I needed to. It really suited the realities of my lifestyle.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Guatemala (originally from Texas) and these services are a lifesaver.  Some people have their family do this for them, but many times that&#039;s impractical, and frankly, I don&#039;t want my family in my personal affairs :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Guatemala (originally from Texas) and these services are a lifesaver.  Some people have their family do this for them, but many times that&#8217;s impractical, and frankly, I don&#8217;t want my family in my personal affairs <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Earth Class Mail</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-50415</link>
		<dc:creator>Earth Class Mail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nette

I just wanted to clarify something that can be confusing. There $1.50 charge is per item, not per page. 

One of the shortcomings of the previous scanning method is that we had to scan the entire contents, and we counted by page. We still scan the entire contents, but customers no longer have to count or ration pages. 

The shredding fee is optional, and most customers avoid it completely by using our secure recycling. Our recycling is not like home recycling where you leave it out on the curb. It is put and delivered in a locked container directly to be destroyed. 

When looking around and different mail forwarding service, we encourage people to evaluate the several key aspects of a good service: 

Features
Address network
User friendliness
Expertise 
Credibility 
Customer Service
Security

We believe we are the best in all these key areas and offer the best value in the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nette</p>
<p>I just wanted to clarify something that can be confusing. There $1.50 charge is per item, not per page. </p>
<p>One of the shortcomings of the previous scanning method is that we had to scan the entire contents, and we counted by page. We still scan the entire contents, but customers no longer have to count or ration pages. </p>
<p>The shredding fee is optional, and most customers avoid it completely by using our secure recycling. Our recycling is not like home recycling where you leave it out on the curb. It is put and delivered in a locked container directly to be destroyed. </p>
<p>When looking around and different mail forwarding service, we encourage people to evaluate the several key aspects of a good service: </p>
<p>Features<br />
Address network<br />
User friendliness<br />
Expertise<br />
Credibility<br />
Customer Service<br />
Security</p>
<p>We believe we are the best in all these key areas and offer the best value in the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Nette</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-50189</link>
		<dc:creator>Nette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been an ECM customer for over a year and although their service works well, the price increases have been amazing. It is now $19.95 for the basic service plus $1.50 per PAGE to scan your mail (and they do charge for every page including ads), plus around $5 per month to shred it...plus storage fees plus high prices to forward it to you.  I&#039;m looking for an alternative</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been an ECM customer for over a year and although their service works well, the price increases have been amazing. It is now $19.95 for the basic service plus $1.50 per PAGE to scan your mail (and they do charge for every page including ads), plus around $5 per month to shred it&#8230;plus storage fees plus high prices to forward it to you.  I&#8217;m looking for an alternative</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Ray</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-44688</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been happy with ECM, but they are raising my monthly cost for $12 to around $50. I&#039;ve left them because of the price increase, and because I suspect they&#039;ll go under within the next year. Obviously, their business model was flawed.

I&#039;m now trying Paperlessmail.com and, so far, I&#039;m not impressed with anything but the price. The web site is fairly pathetic and I did not get email notifications on the received mail (although the scans are in the repository). I emailed them about the problem but it&#039;s been three days and I have no reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been happy with ECM, but they are raising my monthly cost for $12 to around $50. I&#8217;ve left them because of the price increase, and because I suspect they&#8217;ll go under within the next year. Obviously, their business model was flawed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now trying Paperlessmail.com and, so far, I&#8217;m not impressed with anything but the price. The web site is fairly pathetic and I did not get email notifications on the received mail (although the scans are in the repository). I emailed them about the problem but it&#8217;s been three days and I have no reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m paying a service $12 a month to save me less than 3 minutes of my time a day? And in the process potentially leaking sensitive info? No thanks. I also agree with Jim H - when people take the time to send me handmade cards and handwritten letters, I want to actually get them, not have them shredded by a stranger. As for the argument that you can ask them to scan the outside and then if you think it&#039;s sensitive info you can have them forward it unopened - why don&#039;t you just skip them altogether then? So in those cases I&#039;m paying $12 a month for them to show me the outside envelopes of my own mail? Yeah, no thanks. Seems like a waste of $12 to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m paying a service $12 a month to save me less than 3 minutes of my time a day? And in the process potentially leaking sensitive info? No thanks. I also agree with Jim H &#8211; when people take the time to send me handmade cards and handwritten letters, I want to actually get them, not have them shredded by a stranger. As for the argument that you can ask them to scan the outside and then if you think it&#8217;s sensitive info you can have them forward it unopened &#8211; why don&#8217;t you just skip them altogether then? So in those cases I&#8217;m paying $12 a month for them to show me the outside envelopes of my own mail? Yeah, no thanks. Seems like a waste of $12 to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonny</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-30814</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like several people above I&#039;ve been a happy Earth Class Mail user for almost three years now. Some of the comments here are just a little uninformed; as was already said, addressed on the company&#039;s website.  

I trust this company&#039;s employees much more than I would trust a postal worker, secretarial service, or a neighbor or employee to open and scan my mail. Check out the &quot;security&quot; section of their website, they are rather innovative about how they protect their customers&#039; confidentiality, like Swiss bankers. 

Netflix and newspapers are not a problem because you&#039;re in control of what mailers have your Earth Class Mail address (I use one on Park Avenue in New York that they introduced last year, which boosted my consulting image which emboldened me to raise my rates to more than cover the cost of the service!); everything else you want to continue to come to your home continues to come to your home. I don&#039;t send my news rags and magazines to earth class when I travel, I just put my residential mail on hold with the usps. 

Environmentally I have a smaller carbon footprint since I&#039;ve used this service because a) they recycle or shred and then recycle all of the mail I either discard unopened or discard after scanning. If I have to be honest I probably only recycled a small percentage of my mail before, and I never shredded many things that I should have (I would just bundle them into trash bags with rotting tomatoes as a security measure, but then they didn&#039;t get recycled). Also, it takes less fuel to deliver all the mail in bulk to one of their processing centers as for a carrier to drive to my suburban home every day, where I&#039;d rarely be home anyway.

I&#039;ve tracked this company through the TV show and other press they&#039;ve gotten (like Forbes.com that just did a story on them last week, I just found by googling) and they have launched their service now through some European post offices, who have much higher privacy standards than we Americans have (including, yes, the Swiss!). That&#039;s a huge vote of confidence for me. I plan to stay with the service for the rest of my life. I&#039;ve moved twice since I started with them and neither time did I have to go through the frustration of filing change of address notices with 50 companies and all my friends. 

Like my cell phone and my gmail address I intend to keep my earth class mail address for as long as paper keeps trying to find me. I tried going 100% paperless when I moved overseas before this service wa saround. Let me tell you, it&#039;s not possible yet. Unless you live a debt-free, spending-free, tax-free life (and god luv ya if you do!) too many things I need to get are not yet available any other way. I learned that lesson the hard way on previous expat assignments.

Sorry for the long note. I&#039;m rather passionate about this company, their environmental impact, and above all, their customer service which I&#039;ve had to use just twice but they were quick, polite, and solved my problem without hassle both times. They&#039;ve removed one of the highest stresses I had as an international consultant who often has to take off on short notice for an unknown period of time. Mail was always my biggest headache, being single and with no one to slough it off on while I&#039;m gone. I meet a lot of expats in my line of work and I always tell them about it and they always sign up the next day because they&#039;ve all lived with this problem as I have. It&#039;s not for homebodies, but if you move around like I do, it&#039;s a life saver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like several people above I&#8217;ve been a happy Earth Class Mail user for almost three years now. Some of the comments here are just a little uninformed; as was already said, addressed on the company&#8217;s website.  </p>
<p>I trust this company&#8217;s employees much more than I would trust a postal worker, secretarial service, or a neighbor or employee to open and scan my mail. Check out the &#8220;security&#8221; section of their website, they are rather innovative about how they protect their customers&#8217; confidentiality, like Swiss bankers. </p>
<p>Netflix and newspapers are not a problem because you&#8217;re in control of what mailers have your Earth Class Mail address (I use one on Park Avenue in New York that they introduced last year, which boosted my consulting image which emboldened me to raise my rates to more than cover the cost of the service!); everything else you want to continue to come to your home continues to come to your home. I don&#8217;t send my news rags and magazines to earth class when I travel, I just put my residential mail on hold with the usps. </p>
<p>Environmentally I have a smaller carbon footprint since I&#8217;ve used this service because a) they recycle or shred and then recycle all of the mail I either discard unopened or discard after scanning. If I have to be honest I probably only recycled a small percentage of my mail before, and I never shredded many things that I should have (I would just bundle them into trash bags with rotting tomatoes as a security measure, but then they didn&#8217;t get recycled). Also, it takes less fuel to deliver all the mail in bulk to one of their processing centers as for a carrier to drive to my suburban home every day, where I&#8217;d rarely be home anyway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tracked this company through the TV show and other press they&#8217;ve gotten (like Forbes.com that just did a story on them last week, I just found by googling) and they have launched their service now through some European post offices, who have much higher privacy standards than we Americans have (including, yes, the Swiss!). That&#8217;s a huge vote of confidence for me. I plan to stay with the service for the rest of my life. I&#8217;ve moved twice since I started with them and neither time did I have to go through the frustration of filing change of address notices with 50 companies and all my friends. </p>
<p>Like my cell phone and my gmail address I intend to keep my earth class mail address for as long as paper keeps trying to find me. I tried going 100% paperless when I moved overseas before this service wa saround. Let me tell you, it&#8217;s not possible yet. Unless you live a debt-free, spending-free, tax-free life (and god luv ya if you do!) too many things I need to get are not yet available any other way. I learned that lesson the hard way on previous expat assignments.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long note. I&#8217;m rather passionate about this company, their environmental impact, and above all, their customer service which I&#8217;ve had to use just twice but they were quick, polite, and solved my problem without hassle both times. They&#8217;ve removed one of the highest stresses I had as an international consultant who often has to take off on short notice for an unknown period of time. Mail was always my biggest headache, being single and with no one to slough it off on while I&#8217;m gone. I meet a lot of expats in my line of work and I always tell them about it and they always sign up the next day because they&#8217;ve all lived with this problem as I have. It&#8217;s not for homebodies, but if you move around like I do, it&#8217;s a life saver.</p>
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		<title>By: Louisa</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-30751</link>
		<dc:creator>Louisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for being more environmentally friendly, but the idea of this makes me feel really sad.  : (</description>
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		<title>By: Jacque</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-30740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Blair (first commenter) - the show is called &quot;Start-Up Junkies&quot; and the first episode is/was available on iTunes for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Blair (first commenter) &#8211; the show is called &#8220;Start-Up Junkies&#8221; and the first episode is/was available on iTunes for free.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-30728</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might save clutter, but it doesnt help the environment. The mail is still being sent, just not to you. Someone still either chucks it in the bin or recycles it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might save clutter, but it doesnt help the environment. The mail is still being sent, just not to you. Someone still either chucks it in the bin or recycles it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-30714</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This definitely would not work for anyone who uses Blockbuster online or Netflix.

I also would worry about security. I&#039;m paranoid about my mail ever since a valuable package I mailed was stolen while still within the USPS system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This definitely would not work for anyone who uses Blockbuster online or Netflix.</p>
<p>I also would worry about security. I&#8217;m paranoid about my mail ever since a valuable package I mailed was stolen while still within the USPS system.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Cantieri, Sorted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Cantieri, Sorted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, yeah, I think I&#039;d prefer to open my own mail. But I&#039;m glad to hear that the folks who use the service are happy with it. :) 

Also: Julie (6th comment down) has some excellent tips for reducing your mail. Kudos, Julie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, yeah, I think I&#8217;d prefer to open my own mail. But I&#8217;m glad to hear that the folks who use the service are happy with it. <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Also: Julie (6th comment down) has some excellent tips for reducing your mail. Kudos, Julie!</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/03/17/paperless-postal-service/comment-page-1/#comment-30670</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this sound awesome!  I live in a place that doesn&#039;t recycle paper, so it would be a huge for reducing my carbon foot print.  Additionally, I looked at the site and they seem to have  pretty good answers for all of the security questions.  Thanks for the link, I am really considering this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this sound awesome!  I live in a place that doesn&#8217;t recycle paper, so it would be a huge for reducing my carbon foot print.  Additionally, I looked at the site and they seem to have  pretty good answers for all of the security questions.  Thanks for the link, I am really considering this.</p>
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		<title>By: alana</title>
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		<dc:creator>alana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite like the brand new service MeeHive.  It&#039;s a free news aggregator similar to what you mention except you don&#039;t get stories on topics you have no interest in.  It&#039;s still a bit rough but I do find topics of interest on it every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite like the brand new service MeeHive.  It&#8217;s a free news aggregator similar to what you mention except you don&#8217;t get stories on topics you have no interest in.  It&#8217;s still a bit rough but I do find topics of interest on it every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like several commenters, I&#039;ve been using ECM for years, and the problems listed in comments above are all solvable. You can direct ECM to only scan the outsides of your mail and then redirect sensitive items to a sub-account for processing (where that user would request that the contents be scanned). That reduces your costs.

You don&#039;t have to direct them to automatically shred/recycle Grandma&#039;s birthday card. You can have the things you want to have in hand redirected (mailed to your real physical mailbox) at additional cost. Remember, if they&#039;re scanning the outside, you can tell the difference between another credit card offer and your grandma&#039;s handwritten envelope.

This is a very useful thing for anyone who wants to keep their personal and business matters separate. In my case, my grandma knows where I live, so she would mail her card directly to me, anyway. 

I understand that this service isn&#039;t for everyone, but some of the complaints don&#039;t make sense to me because I&#039;ve been using the service, and as Sue pointed out, the website covers all of this. I&#039;m not saying that the commenters should use the service, just that their stated complaints are not the best reasons not to use the service. (With the exception of those who said they didn&#039;t want to spend the monthly fee. That part is accurate and very relevant to a lot of people!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like several commenters, I&#8217;ve been using ECM for years, and the problems listed in comments above are all solvable. You can direct ECM to only scan the outsides of your mail and then redirect sensitive items to a sub-account for processing (where that user would request that the contents be scanned). That reduces your costs.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to direct them to automatically shred/recycle Grandma&#8217;s birthday card. You can have the things you want to have in hand redirected (mailed to your real physical mailbox) at additional cost. Remember, if they&#8217;re scanning the outside, you can tell the difference between another credit card offer and your grandma&#8217;s handwritten envelope.</p>
<p>This is a very useful thing for anyone who wants to keep their personal and business matters separate. In my case, my grandma knows where I live, so she would mail her card directly to me, anyway. </p>
<p>I understand that this service isn&#8217;t for everyone, but some of the complaints don&#8217;t make sense to me because I&#8217;ve been using the service, and as Sue pointed out, the website covers all of this. I&#8217;m not saying that the commenters should use the service, just that their stated complaints are not the best reasons not to use the service. (With the exception of those who said they didn&#8217;t want to spend the monthly fee. That part is accurate and very relevant to a lot of people!)</p>
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