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		<title>By: Beverly Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beverly Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might be interested in a new information website on compulsive hoarding – http://www.compulsive-hoarding.org It is a comprehensive resource of up-to-date information about compulsive hoarding, its diagnosis, research, treatment and the available support. You’ll also find FAQs, tests and the latest views on this disabling illness.

As declutterers in the UK, Beverly Wade and Chrystine Bennett of Cluttergone have worked with over 200 individual declutter clients, some of whom are hoarders. They have developed the website for sufferers of compulsive hoarding, their friends, families and anyone with an interest in the subject. 

We hope you find the site useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be interested in a new information website on compulsive hoarding – <a href="http://www.compulsive-hoarding.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.compulsive-hoarding.org</a> It is a comprehensive resource of up-to-date information about compulsive hoarding, its diagnosis, research, treatment and the available support. You’ll also find FAQs, tests and the latest views on this disabling illness.</p>
<p>As declutterers in the UK, Beverly Wade and Chrystine Bennett of Cluttergone have worked with over 200 individual declutter clients, some of whom are hoarders. They have developed the website for sufferers of compulsive hoarding, their friends, families and anyone with an interest in the subject. </p>
<p>We hope you find the site useful.</p>
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		<title>By: tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to have a compulsive shopping addiction which then turned into a hoarding problem, but the  i got control of the shopping problem and that stopped the hoarding after about 6 yrs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to have a compulsive shopping addiction which then turned into a hoarding problem, but the  i got control of the shopping problem and that stopped the hoarding after about 6 yrs.</p>
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		<title>By: Pages tagged "compulsive"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pages tagged "compulsive"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bookmarks tagged compulsive Unclutterer » Archive » Compulsive clutter in Ne...&#160;saved by 10 others  &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;toxiccooltrip bookmarked on 02/19/09 &#124; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27757</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Denise -- Fantastic example with the diabetic and a personal trainer.

The laws I&#039;ve been referring to are misrepresenting oneself as a licensed medical professional capable of treating medical disorders. Every state in the United States has these laws on the books, so the actual numbers of the laws vary from state to state. For Unclutterer or any professional organizer to say that we treat hoarding is a violation of this law and can be punished in the court system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Denise &#8212; Fantastic example with the diabetic and a personal trainer.</p>
<p>The laws I&#8217;ve been referring to are misrepresenting oneself as a licensed medical professional capable of treating medical disorders. Every state in the United States has these laws on the books, so the actual numbers of the laws vary from state to state. For Unclutterer or any professional organizer to say that we treat hoarding is a violation of this law and can be punished in the court system.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin wrote:
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&lt;i&gt;To suggest that a Hoarder should follow a different plan of action is 100 percent in violation of United States federal law.&lt;/i&gt;
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Which law is this, Erin?  Is it specifically about hoarding?  Or is it more about mental illness?  Or is it about health in general?  Or practicing medicine without a license?

I&#039;m not doubting that there is a federal law that has a direct impact on this situation, by the way, and that you in your role at unclutterer.com would need to be very aware of it and respect it scrupulously, but I&#039;d like to know more.

(I also have no argument with the idea that a professional organizer alone cannot treat hoarding.  I see it as analogous to a personal trainer working with a diabetic.  The exercise may make it far easier to control the diabetes, but the diabetic still needs to be under a doctor&#039;s supervision.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin wrote:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
<i>To suggest that a Hoarder should follow a different plan of action is 100 percent in violation of United States federal law.</i><br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Which law is this, Erin?  Is it specifically about hoarding?  Or is it more about mental illness?  Or is it about health in general?  Or practicing medicine without a license?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not doubting that there is a federal law that has a direct impact on this situation, by the way, and that you in your role at unclutterer.com would need to be very aware of it and respect it scrupulously, but I&#8217;d like to know more.</p>
<p>(I also have no argument with the idea that a professional organizer alone cannot treat hoarding.  I see it as analogous to a personal trainer working with a diabetic.  The exercise may make it far easier to control the diabetes, but the diabetic still needs to be under a doctor&#8217;s supervision.)</p>
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		<title>By: Am I A Compulsive Hoarder? &#171; BakeLiteDoorBell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Am I A Compulsive Hoarder? &#171; BakeLiteDoorBell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] surfing sessions I run across lots of websites that discuss clutter and hoarding.  Recently on the Unclutterer blog they posted a link to Hoardhouse which shows pictures of the homes of compulsive hoarders.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] surfing sessions I run across lots of websites that discuss clutter and hoarding.  Recently on the Unclutterer blog they posted a link to Hoardhouse which shows pictures of the homes of compulsive hoarders.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27540</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, too, have a close relative who is a hoarder.  I know she is ill and has reasons to be that way.  However, I don&#039;t know how to help her.  She resists all suggestions and offers of help. Is there anything else I can do besides stand by and let it happen?  I fear that her landlord would evict her if he ever saw her apartment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, have a close relative who is a hoarder.  I know she is ill and has reasons to be that way.  However, I don&#8217;t know how to help her.  She resists all suggestions and offers of help. Is there anything else I can do besides stand by and let it happen?  I fear that her landlord would evict her if he ever saw her apartment.</p>
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		<title>By: chaotic kitten</title>
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		<dc:creator>chaotic kitten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this post, and for the hoardhouse link. I am working hard to overcome compulsive hoarding and I appreciate any sensitive advice or comments, like the ones in this post.

:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post, and for the hoardhouse link. I am working hard to overcome compulsive hoarding and I appreciate any sensitive advice or comments, like the ones in this post.</p>
<p> <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Trosko</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27523</link>
		<dc:creator>John Trosko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might help the conversation to note that professional organizers can work alongside clients in behavior modification and the physical work of organizing the hoarding mess. The horder should be seeking proper medical help, and some organizers will not work with a horder until they are under medical care. I have worked with horders not under medical care or at least they said they were under medical care but would not involve me whatsoever in their private conversations, and that&#039;s fine. My organizing firm is following the direction of the client and we are doing what they asked us to do.

John Trosko aka OrganizingLA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might help the conversation to note that professional organizers can work alongside clients in behavior modification and the physical work of organizing the hoarding mess. The horder should be seeking proper medical help, and some organizers will not work with a horder until they are under medical care. I have worked with horders not under medical care or at least they said they were under medical care but would not involve me whatsoever in their private conversations, and that&#8217;s fine. My organizing firm is following the direction of the client and we are doing what they asked us to do.</p>
<p>John Trosko aka OrganizingLA</p>
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		<title>By: Janine</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27467</link>
		<dc:creator>Janine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin,

Thank you for sharing the information about and link to Hoardhouse.

As a member of both NAPO and NSGCD and an organizer that works with hoarders, I can attest to the fact that I do not treat hoarders, but I do provide a service that addresses the physical realities of the disorder. Chronic Disorganization or CD is not in the DSM (of any number), but it is a way for us to describe the issues that individuals who suffer from it have to deal with. The NSGCD created the Clutter Hoarding Scale in an effort to provide a common language for describing the range of what can be seen in environments created by the chronically disorganized.

Also, there are organizers working collaboratively with therapists to help hoarders who are motivated (and/or being compelled) to change. As David Tolin (co-author of Buried in Treasures) said at the 2007 NSGCD Conference in New Jersey, we are the tip of the iceberg in understanding the disorder. He also pointed out that Hoarding may require its own section in a future DSM.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin,</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing the information about and link to Hoardhouse.</p>
<p>As a member of both NAPO and NSGCD and an organizer that works with hoarders, I can attest to the fact that I do not treat hoarders, but I do provide a service that addresses the physical realities of the disorder. Chronic Disorganization or CD is not in the DSM (of any number), but it is a way for us to describe the issues that individuals who suffer from it have to deal with. The NSGCD created the Clutter Hoarding Scale in an effort to provide a common language for describing the range of what can be seen in environments created by the chronically disorganized.</p>
<p>Also, there are organizers working collaboratively with therapists to help hoarders who are motivated (and/or being compelled) to change. As David Tolin (co-author of Buried in Treasures) said at the 2007 NSGCD Conference in New Jersey, we are the tip of the iceberg in understanding the disorder. He also pointed out that Hoarding may require its own section in a future DSM.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27458</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gayle -- I am very familiar with NAPO and the NSGCD and both of their certification programs. Neither NAPO nor NSGCD are medical organizations. No one who becomes a member of either of these organizations is required to go to medical school or to be a licensed medical practitioner. Neither organization claims that their members can TREAT Hoarding. In fact, it is against the law for these organizations and their members to make such claims.

A professional organizer can work WITH a licensed medical practitioner to help fix the situation in a home, but these organizers are not TREATING Hoarding. A Hoarder should never contact NAPO or NSGCD to be treated for his or her medical condition. A Hoarder should contact a licensed medical facility to receive treatment for the disorder. To suggest that a Hoarder should follow a different plan of action is 100 percent in violation of United States federal law.

Additionally, chronic disorganization and Hoarding are NOT the same thing. Chronic disorganization is not a diagnosable disorder in the DSM-IV. Hoarding is, however, found in the section on Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gayle &#8212; I am very familiar with NAPO and the NSGCD and both of their certification programs. Neither NAPO nor NSGCD are medical organizations. No one who becomes a member of either of these organizations is required to go to medical school or to be a licensed medical practitioner. Neither organization claims that their members can TREAT Hoarding. In fact, it is against the law for these organizations and their members to make such claims.</p>
<p>A professional organizer can work WITH a licensed medical practitioner to help fix the situation in a home, but these organizers are not TREATING Hoarding. A Hoarder should never contact NAPO or NSGCD to be treated for his or her medical condition. A Hoarder should contact a licensed medical facility to receive treatment for the disorder. To suggest that a Hoarder should follow a different plan of action is 100 percent in violation of United States federal law.</p>
<p>Additionally, chronic disorganization and Hoarding are NOT the same thing. Chronic disorganization is not a diagnosable disorder in the DSM-IV. Hoarding is, however, found in the section on Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.</p>
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		<title>By: gayle</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27452</link>
		<dc:creator>gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLARIFICATION: There should be a hard return in paragraph 2, after the word &quot;organizing&quot;. The statements after that are not on the NSGCD website, those are my comments.

I apologize for any confusion that may cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLARIFICATION: There should be a hard return in paragraph 2, after the word &#8220;organizing&#8221;. The statements after that are not on the NSGCD website, those are my comments.</p>
<p>I apologize for any confusion that may cause.</p>
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		<title>By: gayle</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27451</link>
		<dc:creator>gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erin,

NSGCD does provide certified training for the Professional Organizing industry. Professional Organizers are not therapists, and a NAPO PO will never claim to be one without having the proper credentials. However, there are many POs certified to work with CD patients, just as there are many certified to work with ADD and other issues.

I refer you to this from the NSGCD website:
The NSGCD offers a five level certificate and certification program to any of our members wishing to advance their skills in this vastly growing area of professional organizing. I also would refer you to NAPOs website for more information on the Certified Professional Organizer testing and certification program (not CD-specific, but another type of industry certification).

Often, a PO will work with a therapist to assist a client. While a therapist is qualified to handle the mental health aspect of CD, an NSGCD-certified PO is qualified to assist the client with the hands-on in-the-home sorting/purging and support that these clients need.

Respectfully,
Gayle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erin,</p>
<p>NSGCD does provide certified training for the Professional Organizing industry. Professional Organizers are not therapists, and a NAPO PO will never claim to be one without having the proper credentials. However, there are many POs certified to work with CD patients, just as there are many certified to work with ADD and other issues.</p>
<p>I refer you to this from the NSGCD website:<br />
The NSGCD offers a five level certificate and certification program to any of our members wishing to advance their skills in this vastly growing area of professional organizing. I also would refer you to NAPOs website for more information on the Certified Professional Organizer testing and certification program (not CD-specific, but another type of industry certification).</p>
<p>Often, a PO will work with a therapist to assist a client. While a therapist is qualified to handle the mental health aspect of CD, an NSGCD-certified PO is qualified to assist the client with the hands-on in-the-home sorting/purging and support that these clients need.</p>
<p>Respectfully,<br />
Gayle</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27438</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gayle -- There is a very large distinction between chronic disorganization and Hoarding. Hoarding is a diagnosable psychological disorder in the DSM-IV that should only be treated by a licensed medical practitioner. A professional organizer can help someone with chronic disorganization, but is not licensed to treat a hoarder. It is against the law for a professional organizer to claim to be able to treat Hoarding. At Unclutterer, we strive to make this distinction very clear. If someone is a Hoarder, he or she should NOT seek the services of this website or a professional organizer -- a Hoarder should immediately contact a licensed medical provider and ONLY a licensed provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gayle &#8212; There is a very large distinction between chronic disorganization and Hoarding. Hoarding is a diagnosable psychological disorder in the DSM-IV that should only be treated by a licensed medical practitioner. A professional organizer can help someone with chronic disorganization, but is not licensed to treat a hoarder. It is against the law for a professional organizer to claim to be able to treat Hoarding. At Unclutterer, we strive to make this distinction very clear. If someone is a Hoarder, he or she should NOT seek the services of this website or a professional organizer &#8212; a Hoarder should immediately contact a licensed medical provider and ONLY a licensed provider.</p>
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		<title>By: gayle</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/02/02/compulsive-clutter-in-new-york-city/comment-page-1/#comment-27435</link>
		<dc:creator>gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANOTHER RESOURCE! See last sentence for links.

Hoarding is a form of Chronic Disorganization. There is a scale that one can be measured against to determine their level of crisis. 

Many times the hoarder needs the &quot;stuff&quot; to feel comfortable and safe, or even how to navigate within their space. It has nothing to do with the monetary value. It is horrible for them to go through having to dumpster it, however this is common as the homes often become fire hazards.

I encourage anyone who is feeling like they need help - or relatives - to contact a Professional Organizer or licensed therapist who has had training regarding Chronic Disorganization. You can find help through the National Study Group for Chronic Disorganization: http://www.nsgcd.org/  
One can also find help through the National Association of Professional Organizers at napo.net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANOTHER RESOURCE! See last sentence for links.</p>
<p>Hoarding is a form of Chronic Disorganization. There is a scale that one can be measured against to determine their level of crisis. </p>
<p>Many times the hoarder needs the &#8220;stuff&#8221; to feel comfortable and safe, or even how to navigate within their space. It has nothing to do with the monetary value. It is horrible for them to go through having to dumpster it, however this is common as the homes often become fire hazards.</p>
<p>I encourage anyone who is feeling like they need help &#8211; or relatives &#8211; to contact a Professional Organizer or licensed therapist who has had training regarding Chronic Disorganization. You can find help through the National Study Group for Chronic Disorganization: <a href="http://www.nsgcd.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nsgcd.org/</a><br />
One can also find help through the National Association of Professional Organizers at napo.net.</p>
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