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		<title>By: Rise v4 &#187; Links for Jan 28</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] while inviting Avent into its stores to promote their wares?Tags: breastfeeding, corporate ethicsUnclutterer » Archive » Book review: Career Renegadethere are only two kinds of jobs that are not clutter: 1. A career that you love with a deep [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nicole -- You fall into category #1. Your colleagues are your clients. In fact, all of Jonathan&#039;s book is dedicated to doing exactly what you do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nicole &#8212; You fall into category #1. Your colleagues are your clients. In fact, all of Jonathan&#8217;s book is dedicated to doing exactly what you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Moxie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moxie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The books sounds interesting. As someone who is fairly new to the &quot;working world&quot;, it makes me sad to think that my job would be considered clutter by the above definition. Sometimes, it leans toward #1, but I will catch myself periodically day dreaming about when I used to work at hourly jobs where I could go home and not have to think about my work until the next shift, which had a precise beginning and ending time.  Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The books sounds interesting. As someone who is fairly new to the &#8220;working world&#8221;, it makes me sad to think that my job would be considered clutter by the above definition. Sometimes, it leans toward #1, but I will catch myself periodically day dreaming about when I used to work at hourly jobs where I could go home and not have to think about my work until the next shift, which had a precise beginning and ending time.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then there are those of us who wouldn&#039;t consider our work &#039;clutter&#039;, but definitely don&#039;t fit in either of your two little groups. I am self-employed and have been my entire life. My hours are often time and a half or double the average 40 hour week, I don&#039;t have a desire to surround myself with &#039;colleagues who support and believe in a similar vision&#039;, often have varying income and stability, etc... 

Overall, the kind of work I do includes many many other things that people who would love jobs #1 and #2 would find unpleasant. However, many of us self-employed / entrepreneurs / business owners / etc.. wouldn&#039;t trade it for anything in the world. Then again, these kind of books are written to help people find satisfaction living in the system, not to encourage being independent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then there are those of us who wouldn&#8217;t consider our work &#8216;clutter&#8217;, but definitely don&#8217;t fit in either of your two little groups. I am self-employed and have been my entire life. My hours are often time and a half or double the average 40 hour week, I don&#8217;t have a desire to surround myself with &#8216;colleagues who support and believe in a similar vision&#8217;, often have varying income and stability, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>Overall, the kind of work I do includes many many other things that people who would love jobs #1 and #2 would find unpleasant. However, many of us self-employed / entrepreneurs / business owners / etc.. wouldn&#8217;t trade it for anything in the world. Then again, these kind of books are written to help people find satisfaction living in the system, not to encourage being independent.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think what Quatrefoil says is very important. It&#039;s all about choice.

If we choose to live in a small town with limited work options, then our choice of job is limited. That being said, there are so many opportunities to find type #1 jobs through the Internet that it doesn&#039;t matter where you are.

That being said, I do believe that there is a tendency to ignore the jobs that support most of us, especially in books like The Four Hour Work Week - can you imagine if the people at a chicken processing plant decided they only wanted to work four hours? Not possible. Same with plumbers, firefighters, store owners, and a whole multitude of people. 

But as long as we make choices based on knowing what we want out of life the remaining choices aren&#039;t difficult to make because they support that dream. If however that first choice is made out of obligation or without any thought at all, then the rest of the choices can seem hard and menial.

What a great conversation happening here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what Quatrefoil says is very important. It&#8217;s all about choice.</p>
<p>If we choose to live in a small town with limited work options, then our choice of job is limited. That being said, there are so many opportunities to find type #1 jobs through the Internet that it doesn&#8217;t matter where you are.</p>
<p>That being said, I do believe that there is a tendency to ignore the jobs that support most of us, especially in books like The Four Hour Work Week &#8211; can you imagine if the people at a chicken processing plant decided they only wanted to work four hours? Not possible. Same with plumbers, firefighters, store owners, and a whole multitude of people. </p>
<p>But as long as we make choices based on knowing what we want out of life the remaining choices aren&#8217;t difficult to make because they support that dream. If however that first choice is made out of obligation or without any thought at all, then the rest of the choices can seem hard and menial.</p>
<p>What a great conversation happening here!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeannine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peaches, it makes me feel a bit relieved to read your post!!  I have a Master&#039;s Degree but feel exactly the same as you -- that work will never be what really fulfills me.  Other things, like family, God, nature, friends fulfill me.  I think that today&#039;s society and culture often equates a human&#039;s value with their occupation.  

But that&#039;s not me.  I&#039;m a whole person on my own.  I just happen to have to work because I wasn&#039;t born into royalty (unfortunately!).  And I have a good job that earns a good salary, but I know that it isn&#039;t my &quot;vocare&quot; (or vocation, calling).  I&#039;m young, so I&#039;ll keep looking and hope I find one, but if I don&#039;t, I know that I&#039;ll still be a whole person on my own terms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peaches, it makes me feel a bit relieved to read your post!!  I have a Master&#8217;s Degree but feel exactly the same as you &#8212; that work will never be what really fulfills me.  Other things, like family, God, nature, friends fulfill me.  I think that today&#8217;s society and culture often equates a human&#8217;s value with their occupation.  </p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not me.  I&#8217;m a whole person on my own.  I just happen to have to work because I wasn&#8217;t born into royalty (unfortunately!).  And I have a good job that earns a good salary, but I know that it isn&#8217;t my &#8220;vocare&#8221; (or vocation, calling).  I&#8217;m young, so I&#8217;ll keep looking and hope I find one, but if I don&#8217;t, I know that I&#8217;ll still be a whole person on my own terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Peaches</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peaches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say that I loved this post. See, I work in a field where most everyone here is a &quot;Type 1&quot; - I work at a community newspaper, and most people are here because they believe in the cause of journalism, they love to write, etc. I&#039;m not that. This was the job I happened into during school, and I&#039;ve been promoted to the point of financial comfort and have never left.

But this isn&#039;t my life. It&#039;s not what fulfills me or makes me want to get up in the morning. But it takes up so much of my time and energy, and I&#039;m never &quot;off,&quot; so I don&#039;t have the time or the energy to pursue the things I really do love - my home, my family, scrapbooking, reading, etc.

I keep telling my husband that I want to be a grocery cashier. He doesn&#039;t understand. How could that be fulfilling? Easy. You can do it &quot;right,&quot; heck, be the best cashier there is, and then go home at the end of the day, and have your whole evening for yourself and your family. Work isn&#039;t (and probably will never be) what fulfills me. 

And that&#039;s OK. I&#039;m learning that, and I&#039;m happy about your post because I think you&#039;re helping others learn it&#039;s OK to want a life beyond work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I loved this post. See, I work in a field where most everyone here is a &#8220;Type 1&#8243; &#8211; I work at a community newspaper, and most people are here because they believe in the cause of journalism, they love to write, etc. I&#8217;m not that. This was the job I happened into during school, and I&#8217;ve been promoted to the point of financial comfort and have never left.</p>
<p>But this isn&#8217;t my life. It&#8217;s not what fulfills me or makes me want to get up in the morning. But it takes up so much of my time and energy, and I&#8217;m never &#8220;off,&#8221; so I don&#8217;t have the time or the energy to pursue the things I really do love &#8211; my home, my family, scrapbooking, reading, etc.</p>
<p>I keep telling my husband that I want to be a grocery cashier. He doesn&#8217;t understand. How could that be fulfilling? Easy. You can do it &#8220;right,&#8221; heck, be the best cashier there is, and then go home at the end of the day, and have your whole evening for yourself and your family. Work isn&#8217;t (and probably will never be) what fulfills me. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s OK. I&#8217;m learning that, and I&#8217;m happy about your post because I think you&#8217;re helping others learn it&#8217;s OK to want a life beyond work.</p>
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		<title>By: Quatrefoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quatrefoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really agree with this post.  It clarified an issue I have been thinking about for a while.  I have been working for the past three or four years in a job which is definitely &#039;clutter&#039; - it&#039;s well-paid, the work is fine and doesn&#039;t disagree with my principles, and I like most of the people I work with, but it&#039;s long hours and stressful, and it is very effectively stopping me from doing the things I&#039;m passionate about.  I&#039;ve decided that I&#039;ll be looking for a type 2 job - shorter hours, less stress and almost certainly less money so that I can spend the rest of my time working towards the type 1 job that I&#039;d really like.  

I think that Tobias and Igypsypacker have missed the point about the type 2 jobs.  These jobs can be menial and include the jobs that other people may not want, but they can nonetheless be a valuable job to have, if they provide honest work and put a roof over your head and food on the table.  I&#039;ve stacked shelves, waitressed and cleaned toilets for a living before and I&#039;ll do it again if necessary - despite the fact that I&#039;ve worked as a senior manager and have a PhD.


I would agree that if you choose to live in a small town there may well be fewer opportunities than in a big city, but there are usually a number of type 2 jobs available.  The point is that it&#039;s a choice.  I&#039;m choosing to live more frugally and will probably move back to a rural area so I can work towards my dreams.  I may not achieve them, but I&#039;ll have reduced stress and lived a more authentic life along the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really agree with this post.  It clarified an issue I have been thinking about for a while.  I have been working for the past three or four years in a job which is definitely &#8216;clutter&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s well-paid, the work is fine and doesn&#8217;t disagree with my principles, and I like most of the people I work with, but it&#8217;s long hours and stressful, and it is very effectively stopping me from doing the things I&#8217;m passionate about.  I&#8217;ve decided that I&#8217;ll be looking for a type 2 job &#8211; shorter hours, less stress and almost certainly less money so that I can spend the rest of my time working towards the type 1 job that I&#8217;d really like.  </p>
<p>I think that Tobias and Igypsypacker have missed the point about the type 2 jobs.  These jobs can be menial and include the jobs that other people may not want, but they can nonetheless be a valuable job to have, if they provide honest work and put a roof over your head and food on the table.  I&#8217;ve stacked shelves, waitressed and cleaned toilets for a living before and I&#8217;ll do it again if necessary &#8211; despite the fact that I&#8217;ve worked as a senior manager and have a PhD.</p>
<p>I would agree that if you choose to live in a small town there may well be fewer opportunities than in a big city, but there are usually a number of type 2 jobs available.  The point is that it&#8217;s a choice.  I&#8217;m choosing to live more frugally and will probably move back to a rural area so I can work towards my dreams.  I may not achieve them, but I&#8217;ll have reduced stress and lived a more authentic life along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Long day. Relaxing night. &#171; The Balanced Grad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Long day. Relaxing night. &#171; The Balanced Grad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] saw this quote about &#8220;two kinds of jobs&#8221; tonight and it really resonated with me: In my opinion, there [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: a</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for a great post. I will be checking out the book. I know what I *want* to do--and it seems to involve finding/creating a new niche. Hoping the book will provide some clues to a productive path. AND...I am thrilled to be in a Job type #2 right now. It&#039;s the people that make all the difference! At my previous position, I was surrounded by the most miserable, negative people I have ever met in my life--so, even though the job itself would have been fine--it became sheer torture. NOW I am surrounded by smart, joyful, playful, intensely hardworking comrades who show respect to all and keep me entertained while I work my butt off. Ah... life is good!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great post. I will be checking out the book. I know what I *want* to do&#8211;and it seems to involve finding/creating a new niche. Hoping the book will provide some clues to a productive path. AND&#8230;I am thrilled to be in a Job type #2 right now. It&#8217;s the people that make all the difference! At my previous position, I was surrounded by the most miserable, negative people I have ever met in my life&#8211;so, even though the job itself would have been fine&#8211;it became sheer torture. NOW I am surrounded by smart, joyful, playful, intensely hardworking comrades who show respect to all and keep me entertained while I work my butt off. Ah&#8230; life is good!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Igypsy packer -- Whoa. I STRONGLY disagree with your first paragraph.

I grew up in a small town in Kansas, my high school class had something like a 55% graduation rate, I wasn&#039;t a prom-queen, or popular, whose divorced parents didn&#039;t pay for her to go to college. Saying that living in small-town USA eats away at your freedoms is nonsense.

If you can&#039;t tell, I feel very passionate about this issue. Read my interview on Someday Syndrome to get a more complete picture of where my strong beliefs on this issue come from: http://somedaysyndrome.com/2008/09/a-life-without-somedays-erin-doland-interview/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Igypsy packer &#8212; Whoa. I STRONGLY disagree with your first paragraph.</p>
<p>I grew up in a small town in Kansas, my high school class had something like a 55% graduation rate, I wasn&#8217;t a prom-queen, or popular, whose divorced parents didn&#8217;t pay for her to go to college. Saying that living in small-town USA eats away at your freedoms is nonsense.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t tell, I feel very passionate about this issue. Read my interview on Someday Syndrome to get a more complete picture of where my strong beliefs on this issue come from: <a href="http://somedaysyndrome.com/2008/09/a-life-without-somedays-erin-doland-interview/" rel="nofollow">http://somedaysyndrome.com/200.....interview/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erin – This post could not have come at a better time! I&#039;m contemplating starting a business that I&#039;m excited and passionate about. I&#039;ve now got a good book on reserve at the library to give me just the push I need to help make my dreams come true. Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin – This post could not have come at a better time! I&#8217;m contemplating starting a business that I&#8217;m excited and passionate about. I&#8217;ve now got a good book on reserve at the library to give me just the push I need to help make my dreams come true. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, lgypsy packer.  I think Erin missed the point, though in retrospect I could have been more clear.

There&#039;s a difference between finding contentment in working a monotonous job or fulfillment in your chosen work (be it assembly line or full-time mom) and working a series of lousy/tedious/undesirable jobs because that&#039;s all that&#039;s available &amp; you have bills hanging over you.

I love my kids and willing change their diapers, and I&#039;d probably be just as willing to do it for my parents if it one day comes to that, but that doesn&#039;t mean I want a job in the sick ward wiping bottoms &amp; cleaning up messes all day.  But if I got laid-off tomorrow and that were all that was available to me, you be I&#039;d do it to support my family.  And I&#039;d be thankful for it.  But I wouldn&#039;t love it.

Most of the daily comforts &amp; conveniences we take for granted rely on someone else who gets paid significantly less than us doing some dirty work that we wouldn&#039;t want to do ourselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, lgypsy packer.  I think Erin missed the point, though in retrospect I could have been more clear.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between finding contentment in working a monotonous job or fulfillment in your chosen work (be it assembly line or full-time mom) and working a series of lousy/tedious/undesirable jobs because that&#8217;s all that&#8217;s available &amp; you have bills hanging over you.</p>
<p>I love my kids and willing change their diapers, and I&#8217;d probably be just as willing to do it for my parents if it one day comes to that, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I want a job in the sick ward wiping bottoms &amp; cleaning up messes all day.  But if I got laid-off tomorrow and that were all that was available to me, you be I&#8217;d do it to support my family.  And I&#8217;d be thankful for it.  But I wouldn&#8217;t love it.</p>
<p>Most of the daily comforts &amp; conveniences we take for granted rely on someone else who gets paid significantly less than us doing some dirty work that we wouldn&#8217;t want to do ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeannine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeannine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this post, Erin.  I am a new professional that may not be in love with my current job and am not sure what &quot;career&quot; track I&#039;d like to get into.  

However, I&#039;m working on focusing on the positive in my current job (I&#039;m aware that NO JOB will ever be perfect) and am choosing to believe that I can find a job that I truly love.  

It&#039;s about being happy with what you have, but not settling for something that is less than you expect for your life.  I choose to believe that the best career possible awaits for me, and all I have to do is actively seek it out!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this post, Erin.  I am a new professional that may not be in love with my current job and am not sure what &#8220;career&#8221; track I&#8217;d like to get into.  </p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m working on focusing on the positive in my current job (I&#8217;m aware that NO JOB will ever be perfect) and am choosing to believe that I can find a job that I truly love.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s about being happy with what you have, but not settling for something that is less than you expect for your life.  I choose to believe that the best career possible awaits for me, and all I have to do is actively seek it out!</p>
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		<title>By: lgypsy packer</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2009/01/12/book-review-career-renegade/comment-page-1/#comment-26387</link>
		<dc:creator>lgypsy packer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most people have little or no choice about what we do for a living.  We live in small towns or rural areas, and aren&#039;t pretty people with advanced degrees or prom-queen popularity.  

It is necessary to find our own meaning for our own jobs, to investigate how each job makes the world a better place, and to search our consciences if the job does not. 

And yes, I do the jobs Tobin describes.  Most women do, even if not in the paid workforce.  Most of us are overqualified for that work, but everyone else weasels out of it. Check out the Langley article on AlterNet concerning one variety of this type of work, then decide if the world can do without the dirty workers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people have little or no choice about what we do for a living.  We live in small towns or rural areas, and aren&#8217;t pretty people with advanced degrees or prom-queen popularity.  </p>
<p>It is necessary to find our own meaning for our own jobs, to investigate how each job makes the world a better place, and to search our consciences if the job does not. </p>
<p>And yes, I do the jobs Tobin describes.  Most women do, even if not in the paid workforce.  Most of us are overqualified for that work, but everyone else weasels out of it. Check out the Langley article on AlterNet concerning one variety of this type of work, then decide if the world can do without the dirty workers.</p>
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