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	<title>Comments on: Sharing space and dealing with moments of chaos</title>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 01:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My radical situation is a divided house.  The lower level (three rooms and bath) is my husband&#039;s level, and his chaos stays down there.  The main level is mine.  I love having my own bedroom that is my space.  Not very romantic, but my husband has Parkinson&#039;s disease.  We only moved about a month ago to this arrangement, but so far I am very happy with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My radical situation is a divided house.  The lower level (three rooms and bath) is my husband&#8217;s level, and his chaos stays down there.  The main level is mine.  I love having my own bedroom that is my space.  Not very romantic, but my husband has Parkinson&#8217;s disease.  We only moved about a month ago to this arrangement, but so far I am very happy with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eadie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eadie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s so true re: what you say about moments of chaos. I study part-time and work part-time and live with a flatmate. My moments of chaos is when study is on. I just don&#039;t have the mental capacity and physical energy to be as organised as I&#039;d like. But once exams are over, I have this extra mental space and physical energy, I get stuck into it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s so true re: what you say about moments of chaos. I study part-time and work part-time and live with a flatmate. My moments of chaos is when study is on. I just don&#8217;t have the mental capacity and physical energy to be as organised as I&#8217;d like. But once exams are over, I have this extra mental space and physical energy, I get stuck into it!</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamB</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Alex&#039;s ideas and outlook but it presumes that your other is a usually tidy person who&#039;s going through an untidy period.  It doesn&#039;t seem to be directed to roommates who have permanently different comfort levels.  Drat - I live with someone with a permanently different level.

Also? the box idea only works if your other empties the box occasionally.  Otherwise it overfills and the problem reoccurs.

There&#039;s a theory floating around that reinforcement of the positive and ignoring the negative will work in the long run.  One of the articles I read, for example, the woman fully ignored her husband when he was ranting about misplacing his keys, gave him a slightly blank stare when he kvetched at her, and thanked him when he promptly did regular household tasks.  It worked.  I&#039;m going to try it.  Addendum: she eventually told him her strategy and he started using it on her!  I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Alex&#8217;s ideas and outlook but it presumes that your other is a usually tidy person who&#8217;s going through an untidy period.  It doesn&#8217;t seem to be directed to roommates who have permanently different comfort levels.  Drat &#8211; I live with someone with a permanently different level.</p>
<p>Also? the box idea only works if your other empties the box occasionally.  Otherwise it overfills and the problem reoccurs.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a theory floating around that reinforcement of the positive and ignoring the negative will work in the long run.  One of the articles I read, for example, the woman fully ignored her husband when he was ranting about misplacing his keys, gave him a slightly blank stare when he kvetched at her, and thanked him when he promptly did regular household tasks.  It worked.  I&#8217;m going to try it.  Addendum: she eventually told him her strategy and he started using it on her!  I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Claycat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to find this!  It led me to Alex&#039;s site, which I need.  I have problems with clutter, but they are a result of my basic problem, procrastination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to find this!  It led me to Alex&#8217;s site, which I need.  I have problems with clutter, but they are a result of my basic problem, procrastination.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if we have a roommate who is messy all of the time (and I mean disgusting messy....there are possibly diseases in her messes) and the last time I tried to clean up her things she got really angry at me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if we have a roommate who is messy all of the time (and I mean disgusting messy&#8230;.there are possibly diseases in her messes) and the last time I tried to clean up her things she got really angry at me?</p>
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		<title>By: Ellipses&#8230; &#171; Pigtails Flying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellipses&#8230; &#171; Pigtails Flying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] imagine how delighted I was to find the Unclutterer blog. If you live in an apartment, his rules on how to stay sane in tight quarters are only slightly unrealistic&#8230; Congrats to my associate DHS who ran the Dallas White Rock [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] imagine how delighted I was to find the Unclutterer blog. If you live in an apartment, his rules on how to stay sane in tight quarters are only slightly unrealistic&#8230; Congrats to my associate DHS who ran the Dallas White Rock [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am much &quot;better&quot; at recognizing other people&#039;s clutter, especially my husband&#039;s, than my own.  Oops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am much &#8220;better&#8221; at recognizing other people&#8217;s clutter, especially my husband&#8217;s, than my own.  Oops.</p>
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		<title>By: Hippolyta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hippolyta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of each person having their own space as much as possible. It&#039;s true it doesn&#039;t work to put your spouse&#039;s stuff on the bedroom floor, but (for example) my husband and I have separate desks, and I often pile his clutter on his desk and he gets to it in his time.  He does the same with my clutter.  M.R., I don&#039;t think your solution is passive-aggressive at all, but merely sensible.  But when I&#039;m having a frustrating day already and find my clutter piled on my desk for me and I can&#039;t get to my computer before I deal with it, I do have to bite back the urge to complain.  Arrgh!  This stuff is in my way!  Wait... this was reasonable.  It&#039;s my stuff, I should deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of each person having their own space as much as possible. It&#8217;s true it doesn&#8217;t work to put your spouse&#8217;s stuff on the bedroom floor, but (for example) my husband and I have separate desks, and I often pile his clutter on his desk and he gets to it in his time.  He does the same with my clutter.  M.R., I don&#8217;t think your solution is passive-aggressive at all, but merely sensible.  But when I&#8217;m having a frustrating day already and find my clutter piled on my desk for me and I can&#8217;t get to my computer before I deal with it, I do have to bite back the urge to complain.  Arrgh!  This stuff is in my way!  Wait&#8230; this was reasonable.  It&#8217;s my stuff, I should deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If I lived alone I’d be doing the dishes everyday, so it’s not really any more work than before.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Two people make more mess than one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If I lived alone I’d be doing the dishes everyday, so it’s not really any more work than before.</p></blockquote>
<p>Two people make more mess than one.</p>
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		<title>By: cv</title>
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		<dc:creator>cv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes having a formal system in place makes things easier.  My fiancee and I usually alternate weeks when it comes to doing dishes, but she&#039;s a student and this is finals, so I&#039;m on dish duty for three or four weeks in a row.  After finals are over things will go back to normal.

One thing that really makes this work is that all the usually unstated stuff becomes explicit.  I think that the fact that we&#039;ve made a clear arrangement makes her more appreciative, since she realizes I&#039;m taking on the extra work.  It also keeps me from resenting it and feeling like she&#039;s just slacking off because there&#039;s a time limit on it.

I think that being appreciated by the busy messy person makes it all much easier.  It&#039;s hard not to feel like a martyr, but it makes a world of difference if the busy person comes home and says &quot;Thanks for cleaning - the house looks great&quot; or whatever.  It might be worth it to sit the partner down before (not during) a stressful time and say, &quot;I&#039;m happy to support you through this period, but it makes me feel a lot better when you recognize that I&#039;m doing extra work.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes having a formal system in place makes things easier.  My fiancee and I usually alternate weeks when it comes to doing dishes, but she&#8217;s a student and this is finals, so I&#8217;m on dish duty for three or four weeks in a row.  After finals are over things will go back to normal.</p>
<p>One thing that really makes this work is that all the usually unstated stuff becomes explicit.  I think that the fact that we&#8217;ve made a clear arrangement makes her more appreciative, since she realizes I&#8217;m taking on the extra work.  It also keeps me from resenting it and feeling like she&#8217;s just slacking off because there&#8217;s a time limit on it.</p>
<p>I think that being appreciated by the busy messy person makes it all much easier.  It&#8217;s hard not to feel like a martyr, but it makes a world of difference if the busy person comes home and says &#8220;Thanks for cleaning &#8211; the house looks great&#8221; or whatever.  It might be worth it to sit the partner down before (not during) a stressful time and say, &#8220;I&#8217;m happy to support you through this period, but it makes me feel a lot better when you recognize that I&#8217;m doing extra work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have learned in the past nine years to NEVER move my husband&#039;s stuff. He has the habit of dropping his wallet, phone, keys on the kitchen table sometimes, or leaving one of those items in our son&#039;s room...if I try to put them where I think they should be, or where I would have put them, he is lost.  And angry, and rightfully so. 

We respect each other&#039;s areas.  It&#039;s understood that the the kitchen, living room, et cetera are common areas and we all (kids included) work to keep those tidy.  However, my husband&#039;s half of the desk is often cluttered, but I leave it alone.  Because that&#039;s his area, and if I move stuff around he won&#039;t know where the bills are, or other things, and can you imagine how irritating that is?  Likewise, i don&#039;t do his laundry, and he doesn&#039;t do mine; those are separate.  I don&#039;t clean up his nightstand area, and he doesn&#039;t complain about the mountain of clean laundry i may or may have not sorted through that day and which rests on the big table in our bedroom.

I have found that in time, the other person will take care of their own stuff, unless they&#039;re a horrible slob.  If *I* keep my stuff tidy, that&#039;s a subconscious signal to the other person--&quot;hey, i need to tidy my stuff so i know where everything is.&quot;  

So basically, if you mind your own business and own clutter, the other person will probably take care of theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have learned in the past nine years to NEVER move my husband&#8217;s stuff. He has the habit of dropping his wallet, phone, keys on the kitchen table sometimes, or leaving one of those items in our son&#8217;s room&#8230;if I try to put them where I think they should be, or where I would have put them, he is lost.  And angry, and rightfully so. </p>
<p>We respect each other&#8217;s areas.  It&#8217;s understood that the the kitchen, living room, et cetera are common areas and we all (kids included) work to keep those tidy.  However, my husband&#8217;s half of the desk is often cluttered, but I leave it alone.  Because that&#8217;s his area, and if I move stuff around he won&#8217;t know where the bills are, or other things, and can you imagine how irritating that is?  Likewise, i don&#8217;t do his laundry, and he doesn&#8217;t do mine; those are separate.  I don&#8217;t clean up his nightstand area, and he doesn&#8217;t complain about the mountain of clean laundry i may or may have not sorted through that day and which rests on the big table in our bedroom.</p>
<p>I have found that in time, the other person will take care of their own stuff, unless they&#8217;re a horrible slob.  If *I* keep my stuff tidy, that&#8217;s a subconscious signal to the other person&#8211;&#8221;hey, i need to tidy my stuff so i know where everything is.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So basically, if you mind your own business and own clutter, the other person will probably take care of theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erica H:

I think this is the best suggestion out of some really good ideas.  I love the mind set adjustment you lay out. Very helpful.</description>
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<p>I think this is the best suggestion out of some really good ideas.  I love the mind set adjustment you lay out. Very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ns - I don&#039;t know...my husband and I don&#039;t fight over housework anymore, and more of it gets done than before, since we had a talk and decided that if you want it clean, you clean it.  If I lived alone I&#039;d be doing the dishes everyday, so it&#039;s not really any more work than before.  It&#039;s so nice not having to feel bitter or martyr-ish when you clean, and not to hear nagging on the flip side.

We do the &quot;box&quot; for stuff thing, and it works great.  If I&#039;m in the mood to vacuum and his clutter is on the floor, I put it in his box.  Then it&#039;s not judging or nagging, he knows I wanted to vacuum and he can put his stuff away when he wants.

I feel this treats both people like adults more than &quot;you&#039;re a grown up now, clean up!&quot; conversations.  You don&#039;t *have* to live in a clean house, you choose to.  Both people have that free choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ns &#8211; I don&#8217;t know&#8230;my husband and I don&#8217;t fight over housework anymore, and more of it gets done than before, since we had a talk and decided that if you want it clean, you clean it.  If I lived alone I&#8217;d be doing the dishes everyday, so it&#8217;s not really any more work than before.  It&#8217;s so nice not having to feel bitter or martyr-ish when you clean, and not to hear nagging on the flip side.</p>
<p>We do the &#8220;box&#8221; for stuff thing, and it works great.  If I&#8217;m in the mood to vacuum and his clutter is on the floor, I put it in his box.  Then it&#8217;s not judging or nagging, he knows I wanted to vacuum and he can put his stuff away when he wants.</p>
<p>I feel this treats both people like adults more than &#8220;you&#8217;re a grown up now, clean up!&#8221; conversations.  You don&#8217;t *have* to live in a clean house, you choose to.  Both people have that free choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Another Deb
You are so right - never throw away another person&#039;s stuff - even if you are certain it&#039;s garbage.

@ns
I agree with you completely for long-term clutter issues. This post is more about the moments of chaos when maintenance slips.

For example, if my boyfriend is really stressed at work, he tends to get chaotic in the home. I don&#039;t say anything. I just tidy it up. I know that when the stress goes away he&#039;ll go back to keeping things organized and if I sat him down for a calm discussion when he&#039;s stressed, my words would likely be heard by him as another stress being piled on an already bad week. Not something either of us needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Another Deb<br />
You are so right &#8211; never throw away another person&#8217;s stuff &#8211; even if you are certain it&#8217;s garbage.</p>
<p>@ns<br />
I agree with you completely for long-term clutter issues. This post is more about the moments of chaos when maintenance slips.</p>
<p>For example, if my boyfriend is really stressed at work, he tends to get chaotic in the home. I don&#8217;t say anything. I just tidy it up. I know that when the stress goes away he&#8217;ll go back to keeping things organized and if I sat him down for a calm discussion when he&#8217;s stressed, my words would likely be heard by him as another stress being piled on an already bad week. Not something either of us needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We try to keep common areas cleaned up, but both of us have one &quot;bomb shelter&quot; space in the house where we can muck it up to our hearts&#039; content. Mine is the office, his is the garage. These rooms are guaranteed nag-free, no matter how bad the mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We try to keep common areas cleaned up, but both of us have one &#8220;bomb shelter&#8221; space in the house where we can muck it up to our hearts&#8217; content. Mine is the office, his is the garage. These rooms are guaranteed nag-free, no matter how bad the mess.</p>
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