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		<title>By: Making Steel and Getting Things Done with Money and Web Applications &#124; Indigo Spot</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/09/11/gtd-a-revolutionary-idea-in-1888/comment-page-1/#comment-37026</link>
		<dc:creator>Making Steel and Getting Things Done with Money and Web Applications &#124; Indigo Spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jooly</title>
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		<dc:creator>jooly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to add that Edwin C. Bliss wrote the book on Getting Things Done a while ago, in 1976. It&#039;s a little outdated but still fits the bill for being efficient and organized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to add that Edwin C. Bliss wrote the book on Getting Things Done a while ago, in 1976. It&#8217;s a little outdated but still fits the bill for being efficient and organized.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more vote: the headline and the article are seriously misleading.  The tickler file is only a minor, optional part of GTD.  The idea has been around for a long time, and is included in numerous organizing books published long before GTD.  Mr. Allen never suggests otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more vote: the headline and the article are seriously misleading.  The tickler file is only a minor, optional part of GTD.  The idea has been around for a long time, and is included in numerous organizing books published long before GTD.  Mr. Allen never suggests otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 07:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long-time GTD user who has never owned a tickler file or equivalent at all (it&#039;s useless for my particular work, which doesn&#039;t usually have deadlines) I also found your capsule description of GTD confusing.

&quot;And, you’re missing the point of the article if you think that we’re criticizing Allen or his system.&quot;

You&#039;re right, but I definitely missed the point of the article as I read it the first time, and I think the style it was written in was a factor. 

This is mostly due to the confusing summation of GTD and to the &quot;No offense to Mr. Allen&quot; line, which due to an odd modern twist of language seems to suggest that offense IS intended.

And the headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long-time GTD user who has never owned a tickler file or equivalent at all (it&#8217;s useless for my particular work, which doesn&#8217;t usually have deadlines) I also found your capsule description of GTD confusing.</p>
<p>&#8220;And, you’re missing the point of the article if you think that we’re criticizing Allen or his system.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, but I definitely missed the point of the article as I read it the first time, and I think the style it was written in was a factor. </p>
<p>This is mostly due to the confusing summation of GTD and to the &#8220;No offense to Mr. Allen&#8221; line, which due to an odd modern twist of language seems to suggest that offense IS intended.</p>
<p>And the headline.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GTD is 100% a &quot;back to basics&quot; philosophy.  It&#039;s mostly a description of the ways effective people used to organize their lives before the electronic age.

The epiphany of GTD is that most people have forgotten how to use tools like inboxes, file cabinets, to-do lists, appointment calenders, etc.  David Allen reminded us how to use these things properly.  For that he&#039;s a genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GTD is 100% a &#8220;back to basics&#8221; philosophy.  It&#8217;s mostly a description of the ways effective people used to organize their lives before the electronic age.</p>
<p>The epiphany of GTD is that most people have forgotten how to use tools like inboxes, file cabinets, to-do lists, appointment calenders, etc.  David Allen reminded us how to use these things properly.  For that he&#8217;s a genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, she pretty baldly equates GTD with the 43 folders thing: &quot;If you’re not familiar with Allen, he has a book that discusses how to organize your work flow using the tools of a tickler system built out of 43 folders.&quot;

ALSO: &quot;No offense to Mr. Allen, but this 43 folders idea is anything BUT revolutionary.&quot;  Has David Allen ever suggested that he invented the tickler file?  Or any of the pieces of GTD?  I think I recall him saying the opposite at some point.

This is a neat find, but there&#039;s no need to sensationalize it by suggesting you&#039;re tearing down cherished illusions or whatever.  You&#039;re usually capable of better than that, Erin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, she pretty baldly equates GTD with the 43 folders thing: &#8220;If you’re not familiar with Allen, he has a book that discusses how to organize your work flow using the tools of a tickler system built out of 43 folders.&#8221;</p>
<p>ALSO: &#8220;No offense to Mr. Allen, but this 43 folders idea is anything BUT revolutionary.&#8221;  Has David Allen ever suggested that he invented the tickler file?  Or any of the pieces of GTD?  I think I recall him saying the opposite at some point.</p>
<p>This is a neat find, but there&#8217;s no need to sensationalize it by suggesting you&#8217;re tearing down cherished illusions or whatever.  You&#8217;re usually capable of better than that, Erin.</p>
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		<title>By: Success Professor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Success Professor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an excellent find! Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool find, Erin. :)

Regarding GTD ... though the system uses much more than the 43 folders tool, what many people don&#039;t understand is that *none* of the ideas in GTD are new. At all.

The idea of physical next actions ... the idea of defined outcomes for projects ... the idea of context lists ... the idea of inbox processing ... the 2-minute rule ... all of these have existed in productivity/organizational literature for decades (if not more, as is the case with the 43 folders).

What&#039;s interesting about GTD is the way David Allen has put it all together. If you actually stick with GTD to the letter, you&#039;ll have everything dumped into a comprehensive system. Unfortunately, very few people follow it to the letter. Also, many people tend to obsess over the system rather than focus on the doing, which is a big problem.

I like GTD&#039;s comprehensive system. It&#039;s not the only way to do things, but it&#039;s useful, and it&#039;s taught some useful concepts to a lot of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool find, Erin. <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Regarding GTD &#8230; though the system uses much more than the 43 folders tool, what many people don&#8217;t understand is that *none* of the ideas in GTD are new. At all.</p>
<p>The idea of physical next actions &#8230; the idea of defined outcomes for projects &#8230; the idea of context lists &#8230; the idea of inbox processing &#8230; the 2-minute rule &#8230; all of these have existed in productivity/organizational literature for decades (if not more, as is the case with the 43 folders).</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting about GTD is the way David Allen has put it all together. If you actually stick with GTD to the letter, you&#8217;ll have everything dumped into a comprehensive system. Unfortunately, very few people follow it to the letter. Also, many people tend to obsess over the system rather than focus on the doing, which is a big problem.</p>
<p>I like GTD&#8217;s comprehensive system. It&#8217;s not the only way to do things, but it&#8217;s useful, and it&#8217;s taught some useful concepts to a lot of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I can&#039;t believe that I just wrote &quot;it&#039;s&quot; -- I&#039;m an editor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I can&#8217;t believe that I just wrote &#8220;it&#8217;s&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m an editor!</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gumnos: I love it! I&#039;ve been WSD practitioner all my life, having been raised by a hardcore WSD practitioner. But I struggle with trying to use more structured systems like Covey or GTD. 

I&#039;ll add a data point that the tickler file system is well entrenched in secretarial training. It was required when I worked at IBM in the early 1990s (we all had to have the same setup so anyone could fill in for anyone else), and it had it&#039;s own section in a secretarial textbook I worked on a couple of years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gumnos: I love it! I&#8217;ve been WSD practitioner all my life, having been raised by a hardcore WSD practitioner. But I struggle with trying to use more structured systems like Covey or GTD. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add a data point that the tickler file system is well entrenched in secretarial training. It was required when I worked at IBM in the early 1990s (we all had to have the same setup so anyone could fill in for anyone else), and it had it&#8217;s own section in a secretarial textbook I worked on a couple of years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ridley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but you could have written the headline as &quot;Tickler file&quot; without anyone confusing it with Merlin&#039;s site.  (By the way: &quot;now defunct&quot;!? He&#039;s doing a bit of reinventing, but I&#039;d hardly call it defunct; in fact I think he&#039;s regaining some of the site&#039;s original clarity and focus.)

I don&#039;t think the article comes across as overly critical of GTD or David Allen -- or Martha Stewart :-) -- but the article _strongly_ implies that GTD = tickler file. (Though at this point, if someone reads the comments and our lively discussion, I don&#039;t think they&#039;d walk away with that impression :-)

If I may borrow what Michael said and run with it, how would you feel about someone saying:

&quot;Take for instance Erin Doland’s site about uncluttering. If you’re not familiar with Doland, she has a blog that discusses the downfalls of &#039;unitaskers,&#039; the unnecessary, single-use items that manage to find their way into our homes.&quot;

Is that a fair summation of the site? 

(I say not; and if I saw someone mention your site that way, I&#039;d suggest a rephrasing to them, too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but you could have written the headline as &#8220;Tickler file&#8221; without anyone confusing it with Merlin&#8217;s site.  (By the way: &#8220;now defunct&#8221;!? He&#8217;s doing a bit of reinventing, but I&#8217;d hardly call it defunct; in fact I think he&#8217;s regaining some of the site&#8217;s original clarity and focus.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the article comes across as overly critical of GTD or David Allen &#8212; or Martha Stewart <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8212; but the article _strongly_ implies that GTD = tickler file. (Though at this point, if someone reads the comments and our lively discussion, I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;d walk away with that impression <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If I may borrow what Michael said and run with it, how would you feel about someone saying:</p>
<p>&#8220;Take for instance Erin Doland’s site about uncluttering. If you’re not familiar with Doland, she has a blog that discusses the downfalls of &#8216;unitaskers,&#8217; the unnecessary, single-use items that manage to find their way into our homes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that a fair summation of the site? </p>
<p>(I say not; and if I saw someone mention your site that way, I&#8217;d suggest a rephrasing to them, too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/09/11/gtd-a-revolutionary-idea-in-1888/comment-page-1/#comment-19464</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote one of our wise Unclutterer programmers ...

&quot;The GTD system is: Tools + Patterns + Discipline&quot;

Without any tools, the system doesn&#039;t exist. Additionally, if you read the whole of this post, we never once say anything about Allen getting his ideas for the &quot;patterns&quot; in the system from an outside source. And, you&#039;re missing the point of the article if you think that we&#039;re criticizing Allen or his system.

Finally, had we written the headline for the post as 43 Folders, instead of GTD, readers would have thought we were referencing Merlin Mann&#039;s now-defunct productivity website by the same name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote one of our wise Unclutterer programmers &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;The GTD system is: Tools + Patterns + Discipline&#8221;</p>
<p>Without any tools, the system doesn&#8217;t exist. Additionally, if you read the whole of this post, we never once say anything about Allen getting his ideas for the &#8220;patterns&#8221; in the system from an outside source. And, you&#8217;re missing the point of the article if you think that we&#8217;re criticizing Allen or his system.</p>
<p>Finally, had we written the headline for the post as 43 Folders, instead of GTD, readers would have thought we were referencing Merlin Mann&#8217;s now-defunct productivity website by the same name.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kirkham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kirkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Dan here.  The article seems to imply that the GTD methodology is based on or all about the tickler file, but in fact the tickler file is a very minor (albiet powerful) topic in the book.  The book is about the importance of systems you can trust, dealing with your work in the right context, and (most importantly) reducing brain-clutter so you can focus on what needs your attention Right Now.

To trust your systems, and clear your mind of things that don&#039;t need your immediate attention right now, you need to use them properly.  Just one example given is only using a calendar for things that Must Be Done on a specific day.  The tickler file is just a calendar for physical items--items you will need on a specific day, or things you want to be reminded about in the future but don&#039;t want on your mind right now: bills, tickets, birthday cards, regularly scheduled tasks, etc.

GTD is no more about the tickler file than this blog is about unitaskers.  It&#039;s just a small support piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Dan here.  The article seems to imply that the GTD methodology is based on or all about the tickler file, but in fact the tickler file is a very minor (albiet powerful) topic in the book.  The book is about the importance of systems you can trust, dealing with your work in the right context, and (most importantly) reducing brain-clutter so you can focus on what needs your attention Right Now.</p>
<p>To trust your systems, and clear your mind of things that don&#8217;t need your immediate attention right now, you need to use them properly.  Just one example given is only using a calendar for things that Must Be Done on a specific day.  The tickler file is just a calendar for physical items&#8211;items you will need on a specific day, or things you want to be reminded about in the future but don&#8217;t want on your mind right now: bills, tickets, birthday cards, regularly scheduled tasks, etc.</p>
<p>GTD is no more about the tickler file than this blog is about unitaskers.  It&#8217;s just a small support piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ridley</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/09/11/gtd-a-revolutionary-idea-in-1888/comment-page-1/#comment-19450</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, I&#039;m not arguing with your premise -- see my first comment; for some people this stuff may be revolutionary in a personal sense, but it&#039;s certainly not new. 

But pretend you&#039;ve never read GTD, and read your headline and article. Do you see how easy it would be to conclude that GTD is a book about the 43 folder tickler file system? That&#039;s the (only) thing I take issue with in this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, I&#8217;m not arguing with your premise &#8212; see my first comment; for some people this stuff may be revolutionary in a personal sense, but it&#8217;s certainly not new. </p>
<p>But pretend you&#8217;ve never read GTD, and read your headline and article. Do you see how easy it would be to conclude that GTD is a book about the 43 folder tickler file system? That&#8217;s the (only) thing I take issue with in this article.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/09/11/gtd-a-revolutionary-idea-in-1888/comment-page-1/#comment-19449</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan -- Allen also didn&#039;t invent files or calendars or the phrase &quot;action items.&quot; None of the tools he suggests using in his book are his revolutionary creation. I have the patent number for every one of these and hundreds more (file folders as we know them today with raised tabs were invented by Stephen Rutledge Coleman in 1905, the accordion file was introduced by W.A. Cooke, Jr. in 1883, the system of alphabetizing content in files was patented in James M. Corboy in 1907) and none of the patents belong to Allen. More importantly, I don&#039;t think Allen would try to claim that they are his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan &#8212; Allen also didn&#8217;t invent files or calendars or the phrase &#8220;action items.&#8221; None of the tools he suggests using in his book are his revolutionary creation. I have the patent number for every one of these and hundreds more (file folders as we know them today with raised tabs were invented by Stephen Rutledge Coleman in 1905, the accordion file was introduced by W.A. Cooke, Jr. in 1883, the system of alphabetizing content in files was patented in James M. Corboy in 1907) and none of the patents belong to Allen. More importantly, I don&#8217;t think Allen would try to claim that they are his.</p>
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