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		<title>By: Judy</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-40048</link>
		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I like to read well moderated comments-I stay away from sites with lots of negative comments so I&#039;m all for you.  For any website, though, my bottom line is...your website, your rules. Keep your convictions, kiddo. ;-}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I like to read well moderated comments-I stay away from sites with lots of negative comments so I&#8217;m all for you.  For any website, though, my bottom line is&#8230;your website, your rules. Keep your convictions, kiddo. ;-}</p>
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		<title>By: Celeste</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16834</link>
		<dc:creator>Celeste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His tone was a bit condescending (the whole comment, not just that paragraph), but the point isn&#039;t even that people might not understand RSS. Some of us just don&#039;t use it. I used to, but lately I&#039;ve found it easier to just bookmark the sites I check daily in a bookmarks folder I appropriately titled &quot;Daily&quot; so I can check them all individually when I have time/in the order I choose. Considering my dad was online before I was born (CompuServ in &#039;78!) I think I&#039;m pretty Internet savvy. It&#039;s a personal choice. 

But, anyway.. if he&#039;s saying that most people don&#039;t understand RSS, why is his next logical step to add additional RSS feeds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His tone was a bit condescending (the whole comment, not just that paragraph), but the point isn&#8217;t even that people might not understand RSS. Some of us just don&#8217;t use it. I used to, but lately I&#8217;ve found it easier to just bookmark the sites I check daily in a bookmarks folder I appropriately titled &#8220;Daily&#8221; so I can check them all individually when I have time/in the order I choose. Considering my dad was online before I was born (CompuServ in &#8217;78!) I think I&#8217;m pretty Internet savvy. It&#8217;s a personal choice. </p>
<p>But, anyway.. if he&#8217;s saying that most people don&#8217;t understand RSS, why is his next logical step to add additional RSS feeds?</p>
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		<title>By: brandy</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16772</link>
		<dc:creator>brandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erin, maybe i&#039;m crazy, but i didn&#039;t find anything particularly offensive about lawrence&#039;s comment about RSS feeds. i know plenty of people who know their way around the internet, but would have no idea what RSS is--and yes, they are all college educated and under the age of 45.

somehow i doubt that lawrence meant those of us who aren&#039;t familiar with rss are less intelligent. he was just suggesting that you offer an alternative to people who want to subscribe to comments (which i don&#039;t necessarily agree with, unless people were requesting it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erin, maybe i&#8217;m crazy, but i didn&#8217;t find anything particularly offensive about lawrence&#8217;s comment about RSS feeds. i know plenty of people who know their way around the internet, but would have no idea what RSS is&#8211;and yes, they are all college educated and under the age of 45.</p>
<p>somehow i doubt that lawrence meant those of us who aren&#8217;t familiar with rss are less intelligent. he was just suggesting that you offer an alternative to people who want to subscribe to comments (which i don&#8217;t necessarily agree with, unless people were requesting it).</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16759</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this policy. It is sometimes feels almost hurtful to read really mean spirited and hateful comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this policy. It is sometimes feels almost hurtful to read really mean spirited and hateful comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Yi</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16747</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Yi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment behind this post. I love the analogy; hate-filled nonsense comments are like junk mail: Garbage! They really do pollute the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I whole heartedly agree with the sentiment behind this post. I love the analogy; hate-filled nonsense comments are like junk mail: Garbage! They really do pollute the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann at One Bag Nation</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16746</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann at One Bag Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erin: I&#039;m over 45 and I know how to subscribe via RSS. To be sure I didn&#039;t know what that was three months ago, but you really can teach an old dog (some) new tricks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erin: I&#8217;m over 45 and I know how to subscribe via RSS. To be sure I didn&#8217;t know what that was three months ago, but you really can teach an old dog (some) new tricks!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16745</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lawrence -- Also, I find it offensive that you believe most of our readers can&#039;t figure out how to work RSS feeds. Have you ever looked at our readership statistics? The majority of our readers are college educated and under the age of 45. Most of our readers grew up with computers in their homes and schools. Who cares if they bookmark their favorite sites instead of subscribe through RSS feeds? Both can be productive means for accessing information from the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lawrence &#8212; Also, I find it offensive that you believe most of our readers can&#8217;t figure out how to work RSS feeds. Have you ever looked at our readership statistics? The majority of our readers are college educated and under the age of 45. Most of our readers grew up with computers in their homes and schools. Who cares if they bookmark their favorite sites instead of subscribe through RSS feeds? Both can be productive means for accessing information from the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Doland</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16744</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lawrence -- I disagree. The majority of nasty grams (34 of the 40 documented) over the course of the last six months came from people who have visited the site once and only once. This type of troll is not a faithful reader. Instead, he/she is a person who comes to the site for the sole purpose of leaving nasty grams. If we put a comment policy up at the beginning of every comment section, it would not be respected by the trolls. Instead, it would likely have a more negative impact on the positive comments we do receive. People who have legitimate disagreements might shy away from leaving comments simply because they take issue with a particular point in a post. Why punish the people who aren&#039;t creating the problem?

Your solution says, &quot;Faithful Reader, we don&#039;t trust you to make a good decision, so we&#039;ll remind you that we don&#039;t trust you over and over again.&quot;

Our solution says, &quot;Faithful Reader, we trust you to do what is right without us telling you how to behave every. single. time. you come to our blog.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lawrence &#8212; I disagree. The majority of nasty grams (34 of the 40 documented) over the course of the last six months came from people who have visited the site once and only once. This type of troll is not a faithful reader. Instead, he/she is a person who comes to the site for the sole purpose of leaving nasty grams. If we put a comment policy up at the beginning of every comment section, it would not be respected by the trolls. Instead, it would likely have a more negative impact on the positive comments we do receive. People who have legitimate disagreements might shy away from leaving comments simply because they take issue with a particular point in a post. Why punish the people who aren&#8217;t creating the problem?</p>
<p>Your solution says, &#8220;Faithful Reader, we don&#8217;t trust you to make a good decision, so we&#8217;ll remind you that we don&#8217;t trust you over and over again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Our solution says, &#8220;Faithful Reader, we trust you to do what is right without us telling you how to behave every. single. time. you come to our blog.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Salberg</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2008/07/28/unclutterers-comment-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-16742</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Salberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found your breach of this topic interesting as it has come up at several blogs around the net over the past year - and even at BlogOrlando last year.

However, I have a problem with your point. First, I think a comment policy, if it exists, should be reprinted in clear unambiguous language right before the comment form itself. Tucking it away in a TOS just isn&#039;t practical considering that many people fly to a page from Googleworld based on a keyword search, leave a comment, and then never return. A post, such as this one, is even more difficult to find (or use to justify the removal of a comment).

The comment rules should be very clear. Unfortunately, just using the words &quot;no nasty grams&quot; could mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. On the one hand, you could be discouraging anyone from making a contrary remark. On the other, you still leave open the door for quite a bit. Plus, as I was recently reminded by a commenter on my own blog, that&#039;s a very American idiom that may not make any sense at all to our English friends overseas. So, more. More details. What isn&#039;t permitted. 

On one blog I run, a hyperlocal community blog, I have the following reminder right next to the comment box: 

&quot;Comment moderation is on. All comments not in violation of our policies will be accepted shortly. There is no need to resubmit your comment. A valid email address is required. While most comments are approved immediately, and while anonymous commenting is allowed, the editors reserve the right to follow up or to ask for clarification on some comments. They also randomly check the email addresses of comments that seem unusual, out-of-place, overly hostile, or questionable as to their authenticity. Comments without a valid email address are subject to non-approval.&quot;

Granted, this isn&#039;t black and white, even though the words &quot;our policies&quot; link to a more detailed page about what exactly is or isn&#039;t allowed. But the general gist given is &quot;Hey, we want your comment, but please be serious&quot;. 

On my personal blog, I&#039;m far more liberal, so I don&#039;t have any rules. If someone uses foul language, I just edit the comment and replace the offending word with a less intense word (i.e. sh*t gets replaced with crap). Basically, I try to keep it PG-13. 

On the few occasions where I&#039;ve felt inclined not to approve a comment, I always email the offending person and say something like &quot;Hey, I appreciate your comment and I get your point (really), but I just don&#039;t want this type of vitriol on my personal blog and I also don&#039;t want to edit your words to the point of dulling your meaning. Please reconsider rewording it down to a PG-13 level and repost it and I&#039;ll quickly approve it - and comment on it myself as I do have some interesting thoughts on your position here - but I do have kids. Hope you understand.&quot;. Out of the maybe ten times I&#039;ve sent something like this, half the time they repost it (once even with an apology) and the other half the time, their email address bounces (no surprise).

I think just yanking comments off without fair warning to the commenters is a bad practice.

Although, perhaps not as bad as the practice of removing commenting altogether as suggested by Aegir above. Once you do that, you really become a one-man loudspeaker afraid of honest, transparent, public feedback and for all practical purposes, you cease to run a blog, but a more traditional brochure-style top-down website. Boring. As I&#039;ve written about this before on my own blog, if you&#039;re Steve Pavlina or Seth Godin you can get away with it (although I even took them to task for doing it), but if your you or me or Aegir, you really can&#039;t do that and expect to grow. Commenting is what made blogging popular, not reverse-dated posts.

As a last resort, I&#039;d encourage you to add the &quot;Subscribe to Comments via Email&quot; feature that many W/P blogs are now using. I see you have the RSS version which is great for RSS geeks like me, but most folks on the internet wouldn&#039;t know an RSS feed from &quot;Weed and Feed&quot;. It really helps keep a good thread alive and keeps people coming back to hash out details to come to solutions. 

Sometimes moderators and blog owners feel the need to overly moderate those debates when they get a little heated, but I think that&#039;s a mistake. As long as they are staying on topic, not calling each other ridiculous names, and are interested in using your comment feed as a forum for debate, no harm done. You get free content and traffic, they get an outlet for their opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found your breach of this topic interesting as it has come up at several blogs around the net over the past year &#8211; and even at BlogOrlando last year.</p>
<p>However, I have a problem with your point. First, I think a comment policy, if it exists, should be reprinted in clear unambiguous language right before the comment form itself. Tucking it away in a TOS just isn&#8217;t practical considering that many people fly to a page from Googleworld based on a keyword search, leave a comment, and then never return. A post, such as this one, is even more difficult to find (or use to justify the removal of a comment).</p>
<p>The comment rules should be very clear. Unfortunately, just using the words &#8220;no nasty grams&#8221; could mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. On the one hand, you could be discouraging anyone from making a contrary remark. On the other, you still leave open the door for quite a bit. Plus, as I was recently reminded by a commenter on my own blog, that&#8217;s a very American idiom that may not make any sense at all to our English friends overseas. So, more. More details. What isn&#8217;t permitted. </p>
<p>On one blog I run, a hyperlocal community blog, I have the following reminder right next to the comment box: </p>
<p>&#8220;Comment moderation is on. All comments not in violation of our policies will be accepted shortly. There is no need to resubmit your comment. A valid email address is required. While most comments are approved immediately, and while anonymous commenting is allowed, the editors reserve the right to follow up or to ask for clarification on some comments. They also randomly check the email addresses of comments that seem unusual, out-of-place, overly hostile, or questionable as to their authenticity. Comments without a valid email address are subject to non-approval.&#8221;</p>
<p>Granted, this isn&#8217;t black and white, even though the words &#8220;our policies&#8221; link to a more detailed page about what exactly is or isn&#8217;t allowed. But the general gist given is &#8220;Hey, we want your comment, but please be serious&#8221;. </p>
<p>On my personal blog, I&#8217;m far more liberal, so I don&#8217;t have any rules. If someone uses foul language, I just edit the comment and replace the offending word with a less intense word (i.e. sh*t gets replaced with crap). Basically, I try to keep it PG-13. </p>
<p>On the few occasions where I&#8217;ve felt inclined not to approve a comment, I always email the offending person and say something like &#8220;Hey, I appreciate your comment and I get your point (really), but I just don&#8217;t want this type of vitriol on my personal blog and I also don&#8217;t want to edit your words to the point of dulling your meaning. Please reconsider rewording it down to a PG-13 level and repost it and I&#8217;ll quickly approve it &#8211; and comment on it myself as I do have some interesting thoughts on your position here &#8211; but I do have kids. Hope you understand.&#8221;. Out of the maybe ten times I&#8217;ve sent something like this, half the time they repost it (once even with an apology) and the other half the time, their email address bounces (no surprise).</p>
<p>I think just yanking comments off without fair warning to the commenters is a bad practice.</p>
<p>Although, perhaps not as bad as the practice of removing commenting altogether as suggested by Aegir above. Once you do that, you really become a one-man loudspeaker afraid of honest, transparent, public feedback and for all practical purposes, you cease to run a blog, but a more traditional brochure-style top-down website. Boring. As I&#8217;ve written about this before on my own blog, if you&#8217;re Steve Pavlina or Seth Godin you can get away with it (although I even took them to task for doing it), but if your you or me or Aegir, you really can&#8217;t do that and expect to grow. Commenting is what made blogging popular, not reverse-dated posts.</p>
<p>As a last resort, I&#8217;d encourage you to add the &#8220;Subscribe to Comments via Email&#8221; feature that many W/P blogs are now using. I see you have the RSS version which is great for RSS geeks like me, but most folks on the internet wouldn&#8217;t know an RSS feed from &#8220;Weed and Feed&#8221;. It really helps keep a good thread alive and keeps people coming back to hash out details to come to solutions. </p>
<p>Sometimes moderators and blog owners feel the need to overly moderate those debates when they get a little heated, but I think that&#8217;s a mistake. As long as they are staying on topic, not calling each other ridiculous names, and are interested in using your comment feed as a forum for debate, no harm done. You get free content and traffic, they get an outlet for their opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding my own thumbs-up.  I moderate all comments on my blog.  No snarkiness, no taking God&#039;s name in vain, no spam.  I have only ever had to delete one tacky comment-in-waiting.

@Katie: the only way I&#039;ve found to get rid of a bad habit is to replace it with a good one.  [I&#039;ve done a lot of that in 50+ years of living.]  If prayer is part of your life, then pray over your struggles.  If it is not, channel Thumper&#039;s mother and tape &quot;If you can&#039;t say something nice, don&#039;t say anything at all&quot; across the top of your monitor!  Something else that might work is to find a point of agreement and comment on that, and let the other go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding my own thumbs-up.  I moderate all comments on my blog.  No snarkiness, no taking God&#8217;s name in vain, no spam.  I have only ever had to delete one tacky comment-in-waiting.</p>
<p>@Katie: the only way I&#8217;ve found to get rid of a bad habit is to replace it with a good one.  [I've done a lot of that in 50+ years of living.]  If prayer is part of your life, then pray over your struggles.  If it is not, channel Thumper&#8217;s mother and tape &#8220;If you can&#8217;t say something nice, don&#8217;t say anything at all&#8221; across the top of your monitor!  Something else that might work is to find a point of agreement and comment on that, and let the other go.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good policy. Excellent blog and I also check it every day. 

I am guilty of the snarky or angry blog comment thing (not here, though) and I am trying to rid myself of the mental habits that get me there. Clearly it is mental clutter that is in the way of better and far more satisfying uses of my time. 

Anybody got tips on getting rid of mental habit clutter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good policy. Excellent blog and I also check it every day. </p>
<p>I am guilty of the snarky or angry blog comment thing (not here, though) and I am trying to rid myself of the mental habits that get me there. Clearly it is mental clutter that is in the way of better and far more satisfying uses of my time. </p>
<p>Anybody got tips on getting rid of mental habit clutter?</p>
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		<title>By: Aegir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aegir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I removed the comments facility entirely from my website and replaced it with a contact form. I found that the genuine comments were ones I&#039;d want to respond to individually and personally, so were better as emails. All the rest just get deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I removed the comments facility entirely from my website and replaced it with a contact form. I found that the genuine comments were ones I&#8217;d want to respond to individually and personally, so were better as emails. All the rest just get deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This entry got a big smile from me.  Haven&#039;t heard the phrase &quot;nasty gram&quot; in a long time.  And I agree with you in the large sense, that hate speech/mail/comments are not only counter-productive, but also directly destructive.  Good for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entry got a big smile from me.  Haven&#8217;t heard the phrase &#8220;nasty gram&#8221; in a long time.  And I agree with you in the large sense, that hate speech/mail/comments are not only counter-productive, but also directly destructive.  Good for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great policy! Fortunately I haven&#039;t had many, but I have email notification set up so the minute I realise I have a horrible comment (troll or stupid spam) it is GONE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great policy! Fortunately I haven&#8217;t had many, but I have email notification set up so the minute I realise I have a horrible comment (troll or stupid spam) it is GONE!</p>
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		<title>By: Fit Bottomed Girls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit Bottomed Girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this policy. 

You&#039;re right, your blog shouldn&#039;t be cluttered with comments that do nothing but take up space and spew ick. Clean out the nasty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this policy. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, your blog shouldn&#8217;t be cluttered with comments that do nothing but take up space and spew ick. Clean out the nasty!</p>
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