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		<title>By: Breakfast at Charly&#8217;s &#124; links for 2007-10-21</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2007/08/23/reader-question-what-should-i-store-in-a-fireproof-box/comment-page-1/#comment-4275</link>
		<dc:creator>Breakfast at Charly&#8217;s &#124; links for 2007-10-21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andamom</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2007/08/23/reader-question-what-should-i-store-in-a-fireproof-box/comment-page-1/#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>Andamom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a previous post about automating my life (http://andamom.com/?p=78), I listed Mozy.com as a way to create system and file back-ups. Further, there&#039;s a full spectrum of services related to back-ups and recovery -- and you&#039;ll pay based on the number of times you back up, the amount that you need backed up, the amount of time you are willing to wait before your files are restored, and so on. In financial services, time is of the essence and firms such as Sungard make a killing charging financial institutions for data that they need recovered almost instantaneously (without loss of time or data). But in my life, we try to back up weekly or monthly things like photos, documents, and other files that we don&#039;t want to lose.

In terms of an actual box... Fireproof -- I&#039;d first read the information on the box itself. At what temperature will the box itself get so hot that the things within it melt or be incinerated? What about chemical fires --? Most things have a destruction point and knowing that might dissuade  one from buying.

That said, I&#039;d suggest that you might also want to consider storing certain documents off-site if you are concerned -- maybe in a safety deposit box? Personally, I&#039;d digitize just about everything (scan it).

If you are content with keeping these things around though... You also may want to consider any of these: diplomas, marriage license, savings bonds, etc.

Here&#039;s another link to some useful ideas: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/mtg/20000518g.asp?page=default&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/mtg/20000518g.asp?page=default&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a previous post about automating my life (<a href="http://andamom.com/?p=78)" rel="nofollow">http://andamom.com/?p=78)</a>, I listed Mozy.com as a way to create system and file back-ups. Further, there&#8217;s a full spectrum of services related to back-ups and recovery &#8212; and you&#8217;ll pay based on the number of times you back up, the amount that you need backed up, the amount of time you are willing to wait before your files are restored, and so on. In financial services, time is of the essence and firms such as Sungard make a killing charging financial institutions for data that they need recovered almost instantaneously (without loss of time or data). But in my life, we try to back up weekly or monthly things like photos, documents, and other files that we don&#8217;t want to lose.</p>
<p>In terms of an actual box&#8230; Fireproof &#8212; I&#8217;d first read the information on the box itself. At what temperature will the box itself get so hot that the things within it melt or be incinerated? What about chemical fires &#8211;? Most things have a destruction point and knowing that might dissuade  one from buying.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;d suggest that you might also want to consider storing certain documents off-site if you are concerned &#8212; maybe in a safety deposit box? Personally, I&#8217;d digitize just about everything (scan it).</p>
<p>If you are content with keeping these things around though&#8230; You also may want to consider any of these: diplomas, marriage license, savings bonds, etc.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another link to some useful ideas: <a href="http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/mtg/20000518g.asp?page=default" rel="nofollow">http://www.bankrate.com/brm/ne.....ge=default</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2007/08/23/reader-question-what-should-i-store-in-a-fireproof-box/comment-page-1/#comment-2735</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And... if you have ever driven past a home that fell pray to fire, you will notice that the core of the structure is gone, but the peremeter is still standing.  Think about where in your home you suspect a box would best indure the heat and water when or if the dreaded happens.

I keep all the video&#039;s of our kids growing up safe from fire too... most of which were prior to the digital was approachable for us common folk !
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230; if you have ever driven past a home that fell pray to fire, you will notice that the core of the structure is gone, but the peremeter is still standing.  Think about where in your home you suspect a box would best indure the heat and water when or if the dreaded happens.</p>
<p>I keep all the video&#8217;s of our kids growing up safe from fire too&#8230; most of which were prior to the digital was approachable for us common folk !</p>
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		<title>By: Cate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind that fireproof boxes are usually only rated to protect paper for a short period of time, like 15-30 minutes.  For a small contained fire that&#039;s put out quickly, that&#039;s fine.  But if your whole house burns down, don&#039;t count on anything being recoverable from the box.  It&#039;s likely going to be a melted heap.  Whatever contents survive will be charred and soggy.  So it&#039;s a good idea to keep copies in offsite storage as well.

Also, when buying one of the inexpensive household firesafes, look for info about its water-tightness.  If they don&#039;t mention, it&#039;s NOT.  Your documents might survive the heat of a fire, but it&#039;s moot if they can be immediately ruined by fire extinguisher chemicals and water seeping in.  I learned that one the hard way after a leaky roof exposed my (sealed) safe to a slow drip.  It leaked in easily, and wreaked a lot of damage with just a small amount of water.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that fireproof boxes are usually only rated to protect paper for a short period of time, like 15-30 minutes.  For a small contained fire that&#8217;s put out quickly, that&#8217;s fine.  But if your whole house burns down, don&#8217;t count on anything being recoverable from the box.  It&#8217;s likely going to be a melted heap.  Whatever contents survive will be charred and soggy.  So it&#8217;s a good idea to keep copies in offsite storage as well.</p>
<p>Also, when buying one of the inexpensive household firesafes, look for info about its water-tightness.  If they don&#8217;t mention, it&#8217;s NOT.  Your documents might survive the heat of a fire, but it&#8217;s moot if they can be immediately ruined by fire extinguisher chemicals and water seeping in.  I learned that one the hard way after a leaky roof exposed my (sealed) safe to a slow drip.  It leaked in easily, and wreaked a lot of damage with just a small amount of water.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin at Unclutterer</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2007/08/23/reader-question-what-should-i-store-in-a-fireproof-box/comment-page-1/#comment-2733</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin at Unclutterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ru --

I discuss the downsides of safe deposit boxes in tomorrow&#039;s post. In short, if the bank is closed, you can&#039;t get to your things. And, if you don&#039;t remember to grab your safe deposit box key or wallet when you&#039;re fleeing in a fire, you won&#039;t have the key or ID to prove who you are when the bank does open. You shouldn&#039;t have to worry about saving anything other than yourself and loved ones in an emergency.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ru &#8211;</p>
<p>I discuss the downsides of safe deposit boxes in tomorrow&#8217;s post. In short, if the bank is closed, you can&#8217;t get to your things. And, if you don&#8217;t remember to grab your safe deposit box key or wallet when you&#8217;re fleeing in a fire, you won&#8217;t have the key or ID to prove who you are when the bank does open. You shouldn&#8217;t have to worry about saving anything other than yourself and loved ones in an emergency.</p>
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		<title>By: Ru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the advantages to a fireproof box IN the home as opposed to a safe deposit box?  Do they make good enough ones that there is no advantage to the offsite box?
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting to see Erin&#039;s official fireproof box summary tomorrow...but for those that need the one important point right now...

Most fireproof boxes are designed and rated to protect paper documents, not plastic CDs or thumbdrives.  Paper burns at 451F (thank you Mr. Bradbury).  The plastics in CDs and other computer media suffers failure at a much lower temperature.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting to see Erin&#8217;s official fireproof box summary tomorrow&#8230;but for those that need the one important point right now&#8230;</p>
<p>Most fireproof boxes are designed and rated to protect paper documents, not plastic CDs or thumbdrives.  Paper burns at 451F (thank you Mr. Bradbury).  The plastics in CDs and other computer media suffers failure at a much lower temperature.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin at Unclutterer</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2007/08/23/reader-question-what-should-i-store-in-a-fireproof-box/comment-page-1/#comment-2730</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin at Unclutterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, in anticipation of the pet photo question ... often during fires and other emergencies pets get spooked and run. It&#039;s good to have a recent photo for &quot;Lost&quot; posters and for shelters.

@rodney --

That&#039;s actually a possibility ... hence why having an off-site copy of those photos is very nice :)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in anticipation of the pet photo question &#8230; often during fires and other emergencies pets get spooked and run. It&#8217;s good to have a recent photo for &#8220;Lost&#8221; posters and for shelters.</p>
<p>@rodney &#8211;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s actually a possibility &#8230; hence why having an off-site copy of those photos is very nice <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rodney</title>
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		<dc:creator>rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; you may not remember exactly what was stolen.

&quot;oh yeah, they stole my fire-proof box!&quot;  ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> you may not remember exactly what was stolen.</p>
<p>&#8220;oh yeah, they stole my fire-proof box!&#8221;  <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erin at Unclutterer</title>
		<link>http://unclutterer.com/2007/08/23/reader-question-what-should-i-store-in-a-fireproof-box/comment-page-1/#comment-2728</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin at Unclutterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maureen--

Photos of the interior and exterior of your home are for properly reporting what you lost in the fire/emergency to your insurance agent. The photos are as much for you as they are for your agent. (Our insurance company actually requires these photographs.) They also come in handy if someone breaks into your home and steals things. In the trauma of the event, you may not remember exactly what was stolen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maureen&#8211;</p>
<p>Photos of the interior and exterior of your home are for properly reporting what you lost in the fire/emergency to your insurance agent. The photos are as much for you as they are for your agent. (Our insurance company actually requires these photographs.) They also come in handy if someone breaks into your home and steals things. In the trauma of the event, you may not remember exactly what was stolen.</p>
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		<title>By: Maureen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maureen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of curiosity, why would you need photos of the interior and exterior of your home?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity, why would you need photos of the interior and exterior of your home?</p>
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		<title>By: Nora Rocket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora Rocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait!  I hosted a houseguest recently who lost it all in a fire and swears by the fireproof box, and she really got me to thinking.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait!  I hosted a houseguest recently who lost it all in a fire and swears by the fireproof box, and she really got me to thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin at Unclutterer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin at Unclutterer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christine--

The short answer is no. Check back tomorrow where I&#039;ll explain ALL you ever wondered about fireproof boxes! :)
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<p>The short answer is no. Check back tomorrow where I&#8217;ll explain ALL you ever wondered about fireproof boxes! <img src='http://unclutterer.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about storing those digital items on a small, external hard drive (or on a pen drive) and putting that in your fireproof box? Would the fireproof box protect the drive enough during a fire?
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